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AxleIke
09-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Anyone interested? I know this isn't a popular trail for most as it is less than scenic, but, since its closing, I thought it might be fun to do one last hurrah.

If we go after work, there should be MUCH less crowding, and we could work a time so that its better for more people. We could hit up a local restaurant afterwards, if people wanted.

Sandman
09-10-2008, 10:07 PM
I would be interested. Especially since I have never done it.

AxleIke
09-10-2008, 11:19 PM
Friday, 5pm at the trail head. Looks like a couple of FJ cruisers, me and a tacoma.

Sandman
09-11-2008, 11:10 PM
I am going to have to pass on this I think, due to the rain, as well as having another run bright and early the next morning. Have fun!

Rezarf
09-12-2008, 09:19 AM
Today Friday Isaac? Sept 12? You got a co-pilot seat open?

AxleIke
09-12-2008, 10:11 AM
Yup, today at 5pm.

Sorry bud, another guy already grabbed the passenger seat.

I figured if you came, you'd run the 40!!!!! :D

I'm pretty sure Kevin needs to try out his new Mud Terrains, since it will be muddy!!! :D

Caribou Sandstorm
09-12-2008, 10:28 AM
Hey Isaac, you till going today? I am in but wondering if anyone will go do to rain?

AxleIke
09-12-2008, 10:54 AM
I'm planning on being there. I have windows that roll up.

Uncle Ben
09-13-2008, 08:25 AM
Well................:confused:

AxleIke
09-13-2008, 11:03 AM
You are a smart one sir.

It was fun, but had its shares of disasters..

First wasn't a disaster, but we had a guy who was pretty new in an FJ, and understandably was not looking to beat up his rig. But it took a while.

Second was that for the entire run we had the trail to our selves, except for two parts.

First was a group of 2 jeeps and a ford ranger. They were open except the ranger, who had a nice d44 swap, and a lockright. One jeep was on 35's the other on 37's.....

Essentially they were the tiny penis type: Lots of tire and lift, no idea what actually makes a trail truck.

We let them pass, and they were cool.

Fast forward to the waterfall.

The same group of jeeps and ranger is coming down the trail. Drunk. Very Drunk.

And extremely beligerant.

We were getting the new guy through, and taking our time since the rocks had shifted, and some careful tire placement was needed.

We offered to let them pass before the new guy started, as there was a great place to get him off the trail. They said, "No, we'll wait."

5 minutes later they decided they'd had enough waiting, and they started making snide comments about toyotas, and us in general. No one responded.

They then put the first jeep through the bypass, AFTER the idiot driver of the first jeep bragged about how his jeep could do the "buggy line no problem". As he was driving away, he shouted "F___ TOYOTA, THATS HOW A JEEP DOES IT!!!!!!!!!!!" Never mind that he got stuck going DOWN, where NONE of the BONE STOCK FJ's got stuck...

Again, no one responded.

Next up was the ranger, and my buddy troy says to the ranger guy, who actually had a locker and was pretty nice, "You don't have to take the right line, you can try one of the others, though they are much harder, you're truck will be fine."

The owner of the first jeep got in his face, and said, "You trying to get him to F up his truck man." Troy replies, "no, his truck is nicely built, he'll be fine." The guy replies, "I've been running this trail since I was 10 years old, I know how this trail works and how it treats people.".


Oh really? Thats why you're out here acting like a moron in your open open piece of crap thats burning oil, and getting stuck. Sure. :rolleyes:

Essentially, the guy in the first jeep was looking for a fight, and we did our best to frustrate that effort. They held us up for an hour, and afterwards we did our best to get cell reception to call the police, since as drunk as they were, they'd never pass a breathelyzer, and guess what people....

Forest service roads are still ROADS, and drunk wheeling WILL result in a DUI!!!!!

Eric, a guy with us, who goes by FJCruzer on this forum, is an ex cop. He was quite certain that the group would be headed to jail if we could get reception.

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Its people like that that REALLY make me sad that this trail is closing. Now, instead of being up there in their idiot drunk groups, they will be out on OTHER trails being drunk idiots.

I REALLY dislike people who don't have a drop of common courtesy. We did our best to accommodate them, and keep them from being held up.
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Anyway, drama aside, I was happy with my run.

My rear bumper worked well, including the hoops I get so much crap about. They served their purpose in protecting the tail light twice, and did not bend at all.

I avoided guardian since it wheelbases stock 4runners. Perfect for completely high centering.

I ran the small rock pile thats next.

I also took the extreme left on the squeeze. At the waterfall, I attempted the "buggy Line" that those idiot jeeps were referring to. I wouldn't really call it a buggy line, but whatever. I got 7/8's of the way up it, and hung on my gas tank. If it hadn't been for that, I would have made it. Got pulled up the rest of the way, which resulted in my only damage for the trip, which was a seperated exhaust pipe at the low end of the headers...Needless to say, the rest of the night was obnoxious with my exhaust venting right after the headers.

As a side note, straight pipes on a V8 are deafening, and pretty cool. Straight pipes on a 22re simply sound like a go cart.


I then did the middle line at FFer, and had no trouble.

The ride home was irritating with the exhaust, and I felt really bad everytime I passed a neighborhood.

Anyway, Kevin, You would not have enjoyed it likely, so glad you didn't come since I would have felt terrible after all my hounding. :o

AxleIke
09-13-2008, 11:04 AM
Pics will be up as soon as I get them from the others. I didn't bring a camera.

Caribou Sandstorm
09-13-2008, 08:32 PM
Wow,

Sounds like an eventful afternoon, Isaac..

I was trying to make it but it wasn't meant to be for me and then with the blue sky late in the afternoon, I thought it would be epic lighting for a late early fall afternoon.

I did not account for the potenital foolio's in jeeps..

Steve was the guy in the stock Sandstorm FJ, calls his FJ Sandy...right?

RockRunner
09-14-2008, 08:51 AM
Sorry to hear about your run in with some unfriendly folks Ike. It does suck that some ruin it for the rest of us but that is how life goes. We can fight it best we can and it sounds like that is what you did. :thumb: Did you guys get their plates to report them? Or did you report them later? Just curious, I was only contacted once by the FS after I send them the info from the people at Wheeler lake.

SO when are we going to see some pictures??? I want to see the "buggy line" ;) I want to see some wheeling since I am stuck cutting wood for the next three weeks :(

AxleIke
09-14-2008, 09:20 AM
Buggy line is just the jeepers term. It really isn't. Just a more difficult line than the left line.

Pictures as soon as I get them from other people. I didn't bring a camera.

Uncle Ben
09-14-2008, 10:35 AM
Buggy line is just the jeepers term. It really isn't. Just a more difficult line than the left line.

Pictures as soon as I get them from other people. I didn't bring a camera.

I have been able to do the "Buggy Line" only once in my 40. I would think a well set up Mini could crawl it. it's definitely a wheelbase thang. The slot got easier in later years as the nasty rock on it's approached keep getting pushed back further. It is sad to see Carnage go away on one hand as it has been a great trails for the locals for a long time. The upper area was also very difficult and a great day of wheeling until the "idiots" found that too and dubbed it "Upper Carnage" It was quickly destroyed and closed.

Isaac, you hit a very real note by asking about where these "idiots" will go now that Carnage is gone. I shutter to think about it! I suggest a run up Castle Gulch soon also as it's sure to be closed next as the drunkin' a-holes from Carnage manage to travel a little further west. Sad, sad, sad scenario....

subzali
09-14-2008, 12:34 PM
It's getting cold again, maybe a snow run up Castle? :)

AxleIke
09-14-2008, 06:22 PM
Heres the pics from Eric. I also fixed the out tail light.

AxleIke
09-14-2008, 06:23 PM
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/fjcruzer123/08-09-12%20carnage/carnage001.jpg
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/fjcruzer123/08-09-12%20carnage/carnage003.jpg
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http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/fjcruzer123/08-09-12%20carnage/carnage046.jpg

AxleIke
09-14-2008, 06:25 PM
In the last two, that is the middle line at the water fall. The truck started out so that the pass slider was against that big rock in the last picture. Got the pass front tire on a good line in that groove, and got most of the way up before the gas tank hit, the truck walked to the left, and slipped back down to the position you see it in the pics. It was then really hung between the gas tank and the transfercase skid. The forward pull there is what ripped off the exhaust, which I fixed today.

AxleIke
09-14-2008, 06:29 PM
Wow,

Sounds like an eventful afternoon, Isaac..

I was trying to make it but it wasn't meant to be for me and then with the blue sky late in the afternoon, I thought it would be epic lighting for a late early fall afternoon.

I did not account for the potenital foolio's in jeeps..

Steve was the guy in the stock Sandstorm FJ, calls his FJ Sandy...right?

Yes steven. Really nice guy, did fine, just sensitive about the truck.