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timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 12:47 PM
The last week or so I noticed my steering was getting loose. Thought it was from the hit and run accident and the used steering box I put in. On the way to go take the boy ice skating and this is what I find. My weekend just got much longer and lots of stuff canceled. Sigh. :( That is all watered down grease in the puddle....and come to think of it I have been driving through a lot of water lately...going out to tear it down and take more pics. Did I mention I have tons of beer????? :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

Uncle Ben
10-25-2008, 01:25 PM
If anyone headed to Timm's to help would wanna transport my front axle and Orion to Northside I would make itb worth your while! Been needing it for over a month now but it just doesn't work out....:(

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 02:04 PM
As soon as the 80 is roadworthy I will borrow my neighbor's trailer and head your way. May need help getting it on the trailer.

Romer
10-25-2008, 02:21 PM
Didn't you just do that in the Spring? I have heard of aftermarket seals giving out early. Did you use OEM? Need to figure out why it failed so early so when its put back together, it will go together right.

If you dont have the parts, I have a set of OEM stuff. I'm near Parker Rd and Arapahoe Rd.

Don't have the felt and stuff for the back of the knuckle though and it looks like you need that too.

I might be able to run up there a little later this afternoon for an hour.

Romer
10-25-2008, 02:23 PM
If your not mobile (other vehicle) I could drop by Burt ifr they are open and you call ahead and pay for it.

You have my number, if not its in the roster

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 03:05 PM
http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/247390-real-time-broken.html

the bolts on bottom were very very loose, 1 may be broken off even. would that cause the leak?

I did just repack the birfs at the wheel packing party...used the OEM stuff that Zep bought for us...

I will call in a bit Ken, thanks!!


T

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 03:21 PM
http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/204691-real-time-help-needed-major-fluid-loss-steering-knuckle.html

looks familiar.

I just did my front axle service this spring...wonder if I need to do it all over again???

Will call Stevinson or Burt for knuckle studs and nuts...do I need a complete front birf kit again? Just for one side? Anyone bored and want beer? :)

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 03:30 PM
8 knuckle studs and nuts and cone washers waiting for me at stevinson...waiting to find out if I need a birf kit...

Uncle Ben
10-25-2008, 03:34 PM
As soon as the 80 is roadworthy I will borrow my neighbor's trailer and head your way. May need help getting it on the trailer.

Or lickity-split you can tell me when you'll be around and like a flash I can avoid borrowing anything and come get it! Who would have guessed it could be so easy? :rolleyes:

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 03:35 PM
Is this all I need for the knuckle studs and axle kit?

Studs, 90126-12005
Nuts, 94115-71200
Flat washers, 90201-12019
Cones, 42323-60020

Wiper, 43204-60031
Inner seal, 90310-35010
Trunion bearings, 90366-20003
Spindle gaskets, 43435-60020, 43436-60011
Spindle dust seal, 90313-93003
Drive flange gasket, 43422-60060
Outer snap ring, 90520-31007
Wheel bearing seal, 90311-62001
Lock tab washer, 90215-42025

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 03:36 PM
Or lickity-split you can tell me when you'll be around and like a flash I can avoid borrowing anything and come get it! Who would have guessed it could be so easy? :rolleyes:

Like I said...anytime you are free just call me and I will head to the storage unit immediately, if not sooner. Headed that direction in a bit to go to Stevinson.

T

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 03:43 PM
54mm socket anyone? or where to get one today?

Romer
10-25-2008, 03:48 PM
I think the inner (where the ball is and the leak) set is a kit with the rubber, felt and metal ring.

I wouldnt think the studs being loose would cause a soupy leak. Id check the seal to make sure its installed in the right direction.

The arm nuts loosening is a common problem. One of the guys on mud came up with a technique. Tighten smack the bottom with a hammer in an upward motion and repeat both steps till its real tight and no gaps.

Recheck after 100 and 1000 miles.

Romer
10-25-2008, 03:49 PM
I have a 54mm socket, so does Kevin I am sure.

Let me know

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 03:56 PM
Ken, I might drop by for your 54mm socket. Hmm...loose knuckle studs plus driving through a lot of water maybe cause the soupy leak?

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 04:02 PM
Wiper, 43204-60031
Inner seal, 90310-35010
Spindle gaskets, 43435-60020, 43436-60011
Spindle dust seal, 90313-93003
Drive flange gasket, 43422-60060
Outer snap ring, 90520-31007
Wheel bearing seal, 90311-62001
Lock tab washer, 90215-42025

I didn't do the trunion bearings....is this all I need?

wesintl
10-25-2008, 04:28 PM
looks like a mess. sorry to hear. You probably need to do it quick but marlin has the 80 seals out now. Christo has em on his website too.

Romer
10-25-2008, 04:42 PM
Unless you have done the trunion bearings recently, I would do them so you take the Front axle off the list for a long time. You should take the knuckle off to replace the rear felt/rubber/metal and clean it up real well.

I would do the whole job with not having to get in there again as the incentive

also, andother hub socket that will work is the Craftsman 2-1/8" socket is 3/4" drive and is about a heavy and solid a hub socket as you will find. It weighs about 3# and is a perfect fit in the 80 hub ( Per Mike Maynard - Beowulf)

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 07:45 PM
went ahead and got the trunion bearings...$180 for one side, including knuckle studs and nuts....seems a lot more than the packing party.

guess I know what I am doing tomorrow.

RicardoJM
10-25-2008, 08:48 PM
went ahead and got the trunion bearings...$180 for one side, including knuckle studs and nuts....seems a lot more than the packing party.

Bummer about the problem:(. Despite the seeming high cost, you will be real pleased to have all new parts in there:thumb:.

Hopefully the threads in the knuckle were not messed up and are still good. I don't know just how similar the 80 is to the 40/60 knuckles, but if you have shims make sure to keep track of which are for the top and bottom.

timmbuck2
10-25-2008, 08:57 PM
I already had all new parts, except for the knuckle studs...I did not see any mention of shims in the threads on replacing the studs..hope it is straight forward....

Romer
10-25-2008, 09:13 PM
The shim is in the trunion bearing cap.

Did you get the knuckle studs?

corsair23
10-25-2008, 11:56 PM
Timm,

If you need any parts or a hub socket still let me know...I have a complete set of OEM parts for the front axle service (still need to do mine including replacing the DS knuckle one of these days :() and I have a hub socket...

I should be around all day Sunday so give me a call if you need anything

timmbuck2
10-26-2008, 12:05 AM
got the knuckle studs and nuts and cone washers...not too nervous about the axle stuff, I just did it in June, and I have the great FAQ from Romer. A little more nervous about the trunion bearings and knuckle studs.

I grabbed a 54mm socket at Sears....well, the 2 1/8 one, thanks for the tip!

T

Romer
10-26-2008, 12:36 AM
$180 seems pricey for one side of trunion bearings. Did you get wheel bearings too?

timmbuck2
10-26-2008, 03:38 AM
nope. the 180 included about 50 for all the knuckle studs, nuts, cone washers...it was Derrick so I am sure I got the good discount...

timmbuck2
10-26-2008, 04:58 PM
sounds like this is an all too common problem...and can be pretty dangerous. everyone please go out and check yours now...

and next wheel bearing packing party we might want to order up a few knuckle studs just in case...

subzali
10-26-2008, 11:19 PM
If the studs are broken (it looks like some of the bottom ones are), it was probably from the hit and run. That would allow the knuckle to wallow out of place, causing the seal to leak, etc.

You can get a whole rebuild kit, including trunnion bearings, for about $120 from any of the vendors.

timmbuck2
11-11-2008, 11:43 PM
Just an update if anyone cares. All is well. Took the weekend, but it got done. Late Saturday I was torn down to the bare knuckle and ready to start putting it all back together....and Stevinson had given me the WRONG trunion bearings. :rant: I even checked all the part numbers...on the invoice. Luckily Jeff Zettl had his parts ordered and I was able to run over there and keep working. Thanks to Robbie for also offering to drop some off, and to Ken for offering to get me his parts and run for the parts I needed. As usual Rising Sun Rocks. :)

:risingsun:

Surprisingly the grease looked great, was a straight forward job, even the trunion bearings which I did not do at the Wheel Bearing Packing Party, thanks to Ken's great FAQ at Mud.

Thanks to all!


TIMM