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rock_wagon
12-13-2008, 04:19 PM
I am planning a trip to the maze district of Canyonlands next year, we are going to take Flint trail to the Dollhouse camps.
I am trying to determine how rough the road is, I am not worried about my LandCruiser but my brother has a stock full size chevy 4x4 pickup that is pretty long.

Has anyone here traveled there? Any other advice about the area?

MDH33
12-13-2008, 06:18 PM
We did that route this summer as part of the Outlaws Run:

Outlaws Run 2008 (http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/forum2/showthread.php?t=8296)

We came in via Poison Spring road and then left the Maze via the Flint trail. The Flint trail will not be a problem (unless it's wet). A full size pickup will not be fun going through teapot canyon but it can be done with some scraping and rock stacking probably.

Beautiful area. The Dolhouse campsites are amazing. Make sure to do the hikes in the area too. I hope to get back out there sometime soon.

:thumb:

Romer
12-13-2008, 06:33 PM
I know the Norcal guys did it last year. You could talk to Andy Pollock (cruiserdrew)

rock_wagon
12-13-2008, 07:15 PM
Thanks:cheers:

Romer
12-13-2008, 08:13 PM
Here is the link to pictures on the Norcal web site

http://www.tlcwagons.org/Norcal_Wagons/Photos/Pages/The_Maze_2008.html

Inukshuk
12-14-2008, 12:30 AM
Why go Norcal - you got three locals that did it two months ago. What Martin said holds. Plan two hours minimum from the Park Boundary to the Dollhouse. Probably 3.

For scale, note Perry's truck with EZ Awn RTT in first photo, bottom left.

Inukshuk
12-14-2008, 12:35 AM
PS. I have GPS tracks too.

rock_wagon
12-14-2008, 08:10 PM
Thanks - great pics

So you got from Hans Flat ranger station to the Dollhouse is about 3 hours?

How much fuel did you bring in with you?

bh4rnnr
12-16-2008, 11:45 AM
Thanks - great pics

So you got from Hans Flat ranger station to the Dollhouse is about 3 hours?

How much fuel did you bring in with you?

It took us (three well equiped vehicles) about two hours of steady driving to get through the teapot section. Plan to add a bit more time with a stock vehicle. The flint trail is easy but narrow and steep. I'd be heasitent to do it if there is considerable weather. The route we took from the entrance of Poison Spring Canyon to the Doll House, past Hans Flat and ending in Green River was about 300miles. I barely made the trip on one tank(was one empty when I pulled into Green River) Best to have at least two tanks per vehicle.

You will need permits for camping at the Doll House. I made reservations about six months in advance.

MDH33
12-16-2008, 02:19 PM
Thanks - great pics

So you got from Hans Flat ranger station to the Dollhouse is about 3 hours?

How much fuel did you bring in with you?


We exited up to Hans Flat, So we went Dollhouse, back through Teapot canyon, Up the Flint Trail to Hans Flat. That took about three or four hours in perfect weather with 4 well equipped rigs.

My FJ40 is a gas guzzler. I took an extra 10 gallons of fuel and borrowed another 5. That was for the leg through Poison Spring canyon as well.

Inukshuk
12-16-2008, 04:12 PM
I left early and exited to the south, by Hite. Got gas there but still had plenty after coming in via Poison Springs Canyon. It was about an hour from the highway at Hite to the meadow where the portion to the Dollhouse starts. Very easy dirt road. There is a slot canyon along the way that I did not get to explore. I'd want to spend more time in Poison Springs canyon as there were many side canyons that begged to be hiked. Same for the Dollhoouse area. It would be easy to spend 2-3 days doing hikes in there.

rock_wagon
12-17-2008, 08:11 AM
Thanks for all the feedback!

We got our reservation for the dollhouse a couple of weeks ago for late March, I think my brother is going to weasel out given the road conditions and it is probably better as I don't want to travel that far and be faced with the decision of having to turn back.

I may be posting up in the trip planning section looking to fill the permit with another vehicle if anyone is interested in comming along. The permit allows 3 vehicles and 9 people, I have 4 people in my vehicle. It is for the nights of Mar 19,20,21. I will see if my brother backs out this next week.

If he does back out I think I will alter my route to cross the dirty devil, because all long range trips like this should include forging a river!

I am bringing in 20 gallons of fuel based on my low end calculations of mileage and having a safety factor of 5 gallons.

Were any communications possible from the Dollhouse? Cell phone or HAM radio to a repeater? I am considering renting a satelite phone if we make the trip solo, I have two young children and would like some line of communication if the landcruiser decides not to start.

Did you arrange to get your actual permit prior to the trip or did someone stop by Hans Flat Ranger Station on the way in?

MDH33
12-17-2008, 08:43 AM
Here's a useful link to let you monitor the Dirty Devil flow prior to heading into the canyon:

Dirty Devil (http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/dv/?site_no=09333500&agency_cd=USGS&referred_module=sw)

The river can fluctuate massively, so don't go that way if there is weather. Also, if there is weather while in the Orange Cliffs section between the Dirty Devil and Canyonlands/Sunset pass, that could be sketchy too as the trail travels through washes in the bottom of the canyon most of the way.

I traveled that stretch solo and it took me over 8 hours of driving. Kurt did it in 4, but he's crazy. ;) If you have the time, I would recommend doing the drive in through Poison Spring over 2 days camping along the way. It's a beautiful stretch of trail and worth spending time hiking around and enjoying the scenery.

I had no cell coverage at the Dollhouse (T mobile), but I think Cody and Kurt did.

Here's some pics of the trail. This is the stretch between 95 South of Hanksville to Sunset Pass/Canyonlands:

http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383515304_Gko36-S.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383512261_kU2tU-S.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383525905_h7nDJ-S.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383530302_oz5je-S.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383519673_pxWxE-S.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383528628_xdmXq-M-1.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383516866_m45jz-M-1.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383518591_mD8AZ-S.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383534336_hPjo6-S.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383532372_thkGT-S.jpg
http://mdhuber.smugmug.com/photos/383529682_5Fz7P-M-1.jpg

pmccumber
12-17-2008, 03:05 PM
I saw these threads/pictures a couple of days ago and can't get them out of my mind. Well, I'm sitting in a 10 hour meeting with 8 people dynamically writing a Powerpoint presentation we're gonna give in TWO MONTHS so I'm actively encouraging daydreaming.

But seriously, just incredible images. I'm thinking spring break this year. I already ordered three books and paid $17 for two-day shipping.

Inukshuk
12-17-2008, 11:10 PM
Martin - what kind of camera do you have. Those are great!

Verizon worked in many locations. Not what I hoped for in such a remote area but I suppose good for emergencies. I'd love to get back out there and will keep those days in mind. There are a couple of people I want to get out there and play some music with.

MDH33
12-18-2008, 08:56 AM
Martin - what kind of camera do you have. Those are great!



Thanks. I have a Canon Powershot G3 4 megapixel. It's 8 years old and I have taken over 10,000 pics with it and it keeps going strong. Tough little camera. :thumb:

bh4rnnr
12-19-2008, 08:01 AM
Should be a great time of year to be out in that area. Do keep an eye on the weather when doing the Flint. Would love to join you but already got a pre Moab trip to the Henry's planned.

Look forward to the trip report:beer::beer:

Thanks for all the feedback!

We got our reservation for the dollhouse a couple of weeks ago for late March, I think my brother is going to weasel out given the road conditions and it is probably better as I don't want to travel that far and be faced with the decision of having to turn back.

I may be posting up in the trip planning section looking to fill the permit with another vehicle if anyone is interested in comming along. The permit allows 3 vehicles and 9 people, I have 4 people in my vehicle. It is for the nights of Mar 19,20,21. I will see if my brother backs out this next week.

If he does back out I think I will alter my route to cross the dirty devil, because all long range trips like this should include forging a river!

I am bringing in 20 gallons of fuel based on my low end calculations of mileage and having a safety factor of 5 gallons.

Were any communications possible from the Dollhouse? Cell phone or HAM radio to a repeater? I am considering renting a satelite phone if we make the trip solo, I have two young children and would like some line of communication if the landcruiser decides not to start.

Did you arrange to get your actual permit prior to the trip or did someone stop by Hans Flat Ranger Station on the way in?