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rover67
03-03-2009, 08:57 AM
Hello folks,

So I am looking through the HRO catalog and there are TONS of HT's for sale... Any particular recomendations? I'd like to get something we can use in the back country while hiking (water resistant) and also have something Allison can use in her car while we are travelling in the vehicles separately(car adapter). Even if I narrow it down to the Yaesu's (seems like folks like the brand) there are more than a few to choose from.
What do people like?

Uncle Ben
03-03-2009, 09:08 AM
Marco, You are welcome to play with my VX 7r for a week or two if ya want to....

jacdaw
03-03-2009, 09:29 AM
While I have no experience with the VX series, I'm on my 3rd Yaesu HT in 15 years. First was an FT-530, then an FT-50 and now an FT-60. With a Comet high-gain SMA antenna on the FT-60, I can use the local-to-Boulder repeaters all day long on 4 AAs using low power. Nice, rugged little rig.

I have an old Standard C156A 2m-only rig (from before Yaesu and Standard merged into VertexStandard) that you could test drive...indefinitely. :D I can't find the manual for it and have searched online for years. But it's a great radio.
http://www.rigpix.com/standard/c156.htm
http://www.rigpix.com/standard/c156.jpg

Hulk
03-03-2009, 01:58 PM
If you want to give everyone HT envy, buy the Yaesu VX-8R (https://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=932). There's a ton of us who bought the VX-7R over the last few years, and the 8 is the latest and greatest.

I hear good things about the VX-3R (https://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=10&idproduct=911) as well, and it's apparently very small.

If you buy Yaesu, someone in the club can help you program it with all the CO repeaters.

Uncle Ben
03-03-2009, 02:30 PM
If you want to give everyone HT envy, buy the Yaesu VX-8R (https://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=932). There's a ton of us who bought the VX-7R over the last few years, and the 8 is the latest and greatest.

I hear good things about the VX-3R (https://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=10&idproduct=911) as well, and it's apparently very small.

If you buy Yaesu, someone in the club can help you program it with all the CO repeaters.

WERD! I want an 8r bad but I never use my 7r so pretty hard to justify the money these days!

DaveInDenver
03-03-2009, 02:37 PM
I hear good things about the VX-3R (https://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=10&idproduct=911) as well, and it's apparently very small.
The VX-3R is nifty, although it's really small. It's also quite a bit lower in power (max I think is 1.5W TX). But since it's battery is about 1/2 the size of the VX-7R and VX-8R radios, that's probably OK. I get about 1 hour, give or take, at full power on the stock 11W-hr battery in the VX-7R, so trying to do 5W with a 4W-hr battery would drain it fast. On RX with very intermittent TX the VX-7R will last a weekend backpacking. Nakman, Bruce and I had our HTs (all VX-7R I think) up at the hut in December and none of them went dead. Although we didn't tax them heavily, a few calls and a lot of commercial radio listening.

rover67
03-04-2009, 01:26 PM
Thanks for all the input guys!! UB I think I'll take you up on your offer when we get our call signs and can actually start playing!!

Marco, You are welcome to play with my VX 7r for a week or two if ya want to....

rover67
03-04-2009, 01:35 PM
Sweet Jesus!!! A HAM guy here at work GAVE me a Icom IC-V8000 tranceiver!! how sweet is that? looks like it is a pretty nice radio!

just wanted to share the joy! This may make the purchase of one of those nice VX-7R's justifiable!!

Hulk
03-04-2009, 01:58 PM
Wow, very nice! Now you have a mobile rig for your Cruiser!

MDH33
03-04-2009, 02:16 PM
Sweet Jesus!!! A HAM guy here at work GAVE me a Icom IC-V8000 tranceiver!! how sweet is that? looks like it is a pretty nice radio!

just wanted to share the joy! This may make the purchase of one of those nice VX-7R's justifiable!!


Dang! that's pretty lucky. I'm considering that radio for my 40. It's about $200 new.

Uncle Ben
03-04-2009, 03:11 PM
Sweet Jesus!!! A HAM guy here at work GAVE me a Icom IC-V8000 tranceiver!! how sweet is that? looks like it is a pretty nice radio!

just wanted to share the joy! This may make the purchase of one of those nice VX-7R's justifiable!!

Wow! Thats the one I want....give ya $150 cash - sight unseen! ;)

treerootCO
03-04-2009, 04:08 PM
One problem with the VX8R is that they released it before a cable or software was available. Radio is great but you have to wait to really play with it.

rover67
04-16-2009, 12:06 PM
So Wes' thread about the vx-8r has gotten me thinking again. I need a HT before Moab.

So the VX-3r is nice but it only puts out 1.5 watts. How big of a deal is that? I want something that can hit a repeater from lafayette/Louisville because I want to see if I can talk to allison (via internet link) while I'm in the desert next weekend/week.

The VX-3r fits the budget and is tiny but I am thinking 5w might make life a bit easier.

Also, how often do folks switch from 2M? Seems like 70cm would be nice since the antenna size starts to be decent.. so I am leaning towards at least a dual band for that simple reason. does that make sense?

corsair23
04-16-2009, 03:56 PM
Marco...

I went with the VX-7R because I liked the idea of commonality with others (in case I had questions) and it came in black :hill:

I can tell you that I can hit the .145 repeater from the Littleton area with it and I can hear people from as far north as Ft Collins but in simplex the range is pretty minimal (maybe 3-5 miles if line of sight, maybe more) even at 5W. Compared to a CB it rocks but compared to a true mobile rig the power limitations are apparent.

Based on that I would go with something that puts out 5W vs. 1.5W for sure if you expect to be far away from a repeater and I would get a bigger antenna to use (collapsible) when you are stationary and need every bit of the reach you can squeeze out of the HT.

nakman
04-16-2009, 04:23 PM
Did you look at the VX6? Would be a good comprimise if you didn't want to spend the extra money on the VX7 or 8. I'm sure there will be VX-7r's a plenty on Saturday if you want to mess with one.

wesintl
04-16-2009, 04:32 PM
I don't think you'll be all that pleased with 1.5w. I was torn between the 3 and the 8. I still want a 3r for hiking/cycling etc. With low power antenna will be key. If you want something at home buy a 1802 and set it up as a base station. A 6r isn't bad either but if your spending the $ might as well get the goods.

DaveInDenver
04-16-2009, 08:29 PM
This is where power does actually make a difference. Going from 1.5W to 5W is ~3.5 times the power, which means you can expect about twice the range. Range increases roughly at square root of the power (technically it's the EIRP) increase ratio. So SQRT(5/1.5) = ~1.82 increase in range. This assumes the same antenna on each radio. To achieve this increase in performance from our standard mobile radios you would have to go from 50W up to 175W... You gain the most effective range increases by increasing power under 50W, when you go past that the increase in range comes at an exponentially increasing requirement for power, which means more supply power and a lot more heat.

jacdaw
04-19-2009, 04:46 PM
<snip>I can tell you that I can hit the .145 repeater from the Littleton area with it and I can hear people from as far north as Ft Collins but in simplex the range is pretty minimal (maybe 3-5 miles if line of sight, maybe more)<snip>

Something to keep in the back of your mind when using repeaters is that your radio is not receiving a signal directly from the station you are hearing, but from the repeater itself. Your ability to hear a repeated station (who might be as far north as BFE) depends on that station's proximity to the repeater (or linked repeaters) as well as your proximity to it.

A repeater is a just relay radio. It listens on one frequency and retransmits simultaneously what it hears on another frequency. It provides long distance communication by sitting between two or more operators and giving line-of-sight signal relays between stations that lack line-of-sight due to the terrain.

Something to try next time you're having a QSO on a repeater:
while the other station is talking, hit your REVERSE button. The display will now show the Input frequency of the repeater instead of the Output and you will be hearing what the repeater hears. If you can hear the other station on REVERSE, you are likely close enough for simplex operation.