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timmbuck2
03-13-2009, 03:35 PM
For my 80...got the ARB winch bumper, now I need a winch. :)

I suppose with the 80 plus gear (plus me) I would need a 10-12k winchm but since they seem to be gold plated expensive, and I do not foresee using it much, it at all except for an emergency, could I get away with a 9000i or 8274 even? School me!

Much thanks in advance.

T

timmbuck2
03-13-2009, 03:58 PM
For my 80...got the ARB winch bumper, now I need a winch. :)

I suppose with the 80 plus gear (plus me) I would need a 10-12k winchm but since they seem to be gold plated expensive, and I do not foresee using it much, it at all except for an emergency, could I get away with a 9000i or 8274 even? School me!

Much thanks in advance.

T

hmm

http://forum.ih8mud.com/winching-recovery/239283-witch-wench-wood-you-choose.html

http://www.winchdepot.com/Winches-Winch-Accessories/EP9-0-Winch.aspx?t_c=18&t_s=300&t_pt=100702&t_pl=6429&t_pn=SWI09032

corsair23
03-13-2009, 05:51 PM
Timm,

I believe for ease of installation you'll want to get either the Warn XD9000 or M12000 (don't know about the other manufacturers).

I've read of people getting the 9000i and 8274 to fit but I wonder why people go through the trouble. I know for the XD9000 all you'll need is some spacers between the bumper and the winch. Slee sells them or you can make your own. IIRC you don't need the spacers for the M12000 for some reason.

Interested in buying a used XD9000? :) - Needs some work as I still have not repaired it from the snow run back in '08. I was thinking of going with a M12000...

Anyway, look at where the winch will mount on the ARB and the ARB's cross bracing just above there and you'll see why any winch with an integrated solenoid box will not fit without modifying your new ARB.

Oh...and if you stay with cable vs. rope and you install the roller fairlead vs. a hawse fairlead, do NOT drill the bumper, drill the roller fairlead :)

I think I posted up some pictures of my install back in '07 (March or April timeframe) if you want to look at pictures of this stuff :thumb:

Jenny Cruiser
03-13-2009, 10:18 PM
You'll prolly find a deal before too long. I let my M12000 go for $750. That thing was practically new. Gotta keep the good deal mojo going.:)

subzali
03-15-2009, 09:42 AM
Timm, just a thought: what if your emergency situation just happened to need a 12K capacity winch? Just because it's an emergency and not a "normal" use (whatever normal is, a winch is an emergency extraction tool no matter how often you use it IMO) doesn't mean it won't be major.

FWIW, most people consider an 8274 to be the perfect size for a 40. Now think about the weight difference between a 40 and an 80 and think about what you'd rather have when you really needed it. A winch that's just slightly larger than what is normally considered appropriate for a vehicle that weighs a few thousand pounds less? Or a winch that's a little more properly sized for the weight of your beast? Yes I know Christo makes a bumper that doesn't fit an M12000, just a 9000, but this is just my opinion. I would rather have the one that *might* (not necessarily will) cost a little more but have all the capacity I should ever need, based on common usage, even if I only ever actually use that capacity once in its lifetime.

But then again, if it's just for an emergency I'm sure just using a snatch block could make up for a lot of the difference. Either way I would plan on getting a snatch block as well.

LARGEONE
03-15-2009, 10:07 AM
I am in the same boat...ARB w/ no winch!!! I believe 60wag is as well. We've had conversations about the Warn 9.5xp. It has a 6HP motor, very fast line speed, is lighter than the 12K and still pulls very well. A snatchblock is a must for the worst of situations, but it's one that I'm keeping on my list if the right 12K doesn't come around.

Air Randy
03-15-2009, 10:41 AM
If you put an 8274 on your 80, hooked it to an overhead crane, you could winch that vehicle straight up in the air assuming you have enough alternator and battery capacity. If you use a snatch block and double the line pull you double your pulling power.

I'm not saying you should put an 8274 on it, just that a 8k or 9k winch is going to be more than enough pulling power if you use it correctly.

If you were going to use it on a regular basis for HD use like on a tow truck, then getting the 12k winch is probably the way to go because the components are heavier.

I would go with whatever fits your budget, but dont be afraid that an 8k or 9k winch will be too small. Just make sure you have the battery and alt capacity to run it correctly and you'll be fine.

powderpig
03-15-2009, 01:18 PM
First a 8274 will not fit with out major Mods to the bumper. I currently have a warn 9.5 on my 80. It has not been under rated for my uses yet. That said, if I had the money I would be buying a different winch. Super winch Husky 10k. Much better design and better soliniods switches. But I will live with the 9.5 for a few more years. We also had this winch on the FJC the first year with steel cable. That first year on the TT we winched every weekend to help out people on the trails we were on. I remember i pulled a f250 ford that was stuck on some Valcanic rock in Idaho(steep up hill ledge, with no distance between the walls and the sides of his truck). He was stuck real bad, a single line pull did not do it, so out came the pulley block, I inflated the front tires backup(40psi), put the FJC behind a a small ledge, and up came the ford with some modifided lower brakets(meaning bent). It was what the owner wanted to do. and he could not go backwards. He had put him self in a real bad spot.
Anyhow the 9.5 is a bit under rated in the grand sheme of things and is a powder house. With any winch to get the most out of it, you need to get to the base layer. This give the most pulling force. So using a snatch block will acomplish this (getting to base layer).
Even my 80 that runs around with close to 6400 most of the time is close to the 1.5 X the weight of the vehicle. So for some one running lighter this winch is a great choice.
I personally think the 12k winch is a bit over kill for the 80. But to each its own.
Robbie

timmbuck2
03-16-2009, 04:20 PM
If you put an 8274 on your 80, hooked it to an overhead crane, you could winch that vehicle straight up in the air assuming you have enough alternator and battery capacity. If you use a snatch block and double the line pull you double your pulling power.


OK, please tell me someone has done that, and they taped it!! :lmao:

So I guess I am in the market for a Warn XD9000 or M12000, what model is on your 80 Robbie? We going to have time this weekend for some winch revovery basics?

Thanks all.

T

timmbuck2
03-27-2009, 04:42 PM
http://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/1094944145.html

Is this the XD9000 or the 9000i?

corsair23
03-27-2009, 05:29 PM
http://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/1094944145.html

Is this the XD9000 or the 9000i?

That would be the XD9000i or 9000i, whatever the number is. The "i" is for integrated solenoid pack I believe...Regardless, rather than having a box with the solenoids in it that can be mounted remotely or moved around the "i" version has that big thing above the winch with the solenoids in it that is attached to the winch. That is the reason it won't fit into an 80 series ARB without a lot of modifications or I guess hacking up the winch.

LARGEONE
12-02-2009, 11:39 AM
OK...so I finally found a deal on a winch that I couldn't pass up! I got a Warn 9.5XP.

Does anyone know if this will bolt right up to my ARB? Or will I need spacers like Jeff Z spoke of earlier in this thread?

corsair23
12-02-2009, 11:53 AM
OK...so I finally found a deal on a winch that I couldn't pass up! I got a Warn 9.5XP.

Does anyone know if this will bolt right up to my ARB? Or will I need spacers like Jeff Z spoke of earlier in this thread?

Paul,

Just looking at Warn's site they list:

XD9000: 21.8" L. x 6.3" D. x 7.6" H
9.5XP: 22.7" L. x 6.3" D. x 7.7" H

Based just on those dimensions and the general design of both winches (pretty similar) my guess would be yes, you'll need spacers. You might do a quick search of MUD to see if anyone has mounted that winch on a 80 series ARB or even give Christo a call to see if Slee has ever mounted that winch on an 80 series ARB.

You can make your own spacers or take the easy route and just buy some from Christo like I did :) - I needed four of the spacers that Christo sells, two per side, for the winch to clear the bumper. IIRC the spacers are somewhere in the range of 1/4" to 3/8" deep so two together space the winch back 1/2" to 3/4" or so from the bumper. Maybe more.

RockRunner
12-02-2009, 01:49 PM
Tim, go 12K. Pulling a truck up the steepest hill can be done with a 9K like Robbie said but that being said, ask Jeff what happened when he was stuck in the snow beyond the frame rails. If for some reason you are stuck in the mud up to the frame rails a 9K will struggle even with a snatch block and all your line out DAMHIK.

Don't forget that only the first or the line closet to the drum is pulling at the rated power of the winch. Any more line left on the drum and you are reducing the pull rate, go to the Warn website, they should have the pull rate for each layer of line.

Since the 12K fits your bumper get that and buy a strong snatch block and never look back.

Just my two cents.

nakman
12-02-2009, 02:40 PM
IMO, a winch is like a motorcycle helmet. You're probably not going to need it very often, in fact you may never really use it. But boy when the day comes, you'll be glad you spent money on a good one. The data I've seen shows the pull rating is close to half of the winch rating when you get to the 5th or 6th wrap... would be cool to have a refresher though Tom do you have a link?


But there's something to be said for not having to pull everything out to get down to the first wrap, where just the first 10' of cable on the spool is good enough. If nothing else, it's faster, both in setting up the rig and putting all away again. Also you may find yourself in a predicament where it just doesn't feel like there's time to rig up a snatch block, or find an anchor further away, and it can be a nice feeling to just hook up the winch very quickly to the closest anchor available, and not worry if the winch is up to the task.

I'd also vote M12 for a big heavy 80. :thumb:

rover67
12-02-2009, 02:44 PM
my XD9000i almost stalls out when i am winching a straight pull about halfway through the drum in DEEP snow. Seems to have worked well so far and I have tortured it.

I have no idea how much the 60 weighs. I have never worried about trying to dig the truck out I just pull cable and winch. Sometimes buried in snow up to the top of the front bumper.

I'd say it is as small as I'd want ot go on the 60. I feel like an 80 is more streamlined underneath, so that might actually make it easier to pull through deep snow. I dunno.

nuclearlemon
12-02-2009, 03:43 PM
took a little bit of finagling (sp?), but i got a ramsey 8k in mine.

RockRunner
12-02-2009, 04:11 PM
Tim,

Read towards the bottom.

Marco, axles are axles, when the snow packs in front of your axle and your engine heat melts the top layer of snow to pack it nice and hard it could be my little 4runner and you would have the same results. A little exaggerated but you get my point. Wheels, axle, steering components and frames all hold onto the snow and in mud you have big time suction, broke two winches that way.




$899.00


X8000i SELF-RECOVERY WINCH
This winch is the little brother of the XD9000i, with many of the same features. Its 4.8 horse power Series Wound motor and our proven three-stage planetary gearing helps it deliver a no-load line retrieval speed of 42 feet per minute. The full-load pull rate is over 8 ft. per minute. Plus, its integrated control pack and direct drive, cone braking system are reliable and quiet.

X8000i SPECS/PART NUMBERS:

Part Numbers: PN 28401 (12V DC), PN 284012 (12V DC, CE)

Rated line pull: 8000 lbs. (3630 kgs.) single-line

Motor: 4.8 hp, Series WoundTM

Remote Control: Remote switch, 12' (3.7m) lead

Gear train: 3-Stage Planetary

Gear ratio: 216:1

Lubrication: Aeroshell #17

Clutch (freespooling): Sliding Ring Gear

Brake: Automatic Direct Drive Cone

Drum diameter/Length: 2.5"/9.0" (6.4cm/23cm)

Weight: 74 lbs. (34 kgs.)

Wire rope: 100', 5/16" diameter (30m, 8mm diameter)

Replacement wire rope: PN 27110 (PN 38314, CE)

Fairlead: Roller

Recommended Battery: 650 CCA minimum for winching

Battery leads: 2 gauge, 72" (1.83m)

Finish: Argent Powder Coat

Nuts/bolts: PN 29570

CE winches: CE products are designed to meet European Standards. CE winches include CE labels, Manuals, Safety Hook and Thimble.

12V DC PERFORMANCE SPECS:



Line Pull
Lbs.(Kgs.)
0
2000(910)
4000(1810)
6000(2720)
8000(3630)
Line Speed
Ft./min.(M/min.)
42(12.8)
16(4.88)
11.9(3.63)
9.79(2.98)
8.01(2.44)
Motor
Current
80 amps
200 amps
285 amps
350 amps
435 amps
Pull by layer:
layer/Lbs(Kgs.)
1/8000(3629)
2/7280(3302)
3/6670(3026)
4/6230(2826)




Above performance specs are based on first layer of drum



Winch Dimensions: 21.02" L. x 6.3" D. x 9.94" H.
(534mm L. x 160m D. x 252mm H.)

Mounting Bolt Pattern: 10.0" x 4.5" (254mm x 114.3mm)

corsair23
12-02-2009, 04:37 PM
The data I've seen shows the pull rating is close to half of the winch rating when you get to the 5th or 6th wrap... would be cool to have a refresher though Tom do you have a link?

All moot since Timm has a M12000 and Paul already bought his 9.5XP but for Nakman :D

http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M1200.shtml

Specs for the M12000

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="25%">Line Pull
Lbs.(Kgs.)
</TD><TD width="25%">Line Speed
FT./min(M/min.)
</TD><TD width="25%">Motor
Current
</TD><TD width="25%">Pull by layer
layer/Lbs(Kgs.)
</TD></TR><TR class=altrow height=18><TD>0</TD><TD>30(9.14)</TD><TD>67 amps</TD><TD>1/1200(5443)</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD>2000(910)</TD><TD>14(4.27)</TD><TD>140 amps</TD><TD>2/11120(5044)</TD></TR><TR class=altrow height=18><TD>4000(1810)</TD><TD>8.62(2.63)</TD><TD>210 amps</TD><TD>3/10340(4690)</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD>6000(2720)</TD><TD>6.92(2.11)</TD><TD>250 amps</TD><TD>4/9770(4432)</TD></TR><TR class=altrow height=18><TD>8000(3630)</TD><TD>5.80(1.77)</TD><TD>320 amps</TD><TD>5/9250(4196)</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD>10000(4540)</TD><TD>4.39(1.34)</TD><TD>370 amps</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=altrow height=18><TD>12000(5440)</TD><TD>3.86(1.18)</TD><TD>440 amps</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

TIMZTOY
12-02-2009, 05:17 PM
timm check this out (http://www.4wheelparts.com/Winches-Winch-Accessories/XRC-12-Winch.aspx?t_c=18&t_s=300&t_pt=100700&t_pl=7146&t_pn=S%2fB97212), cheap, and ive herd alot of good things about them.. havent really herd any negative.. expectually since its for amber.. look at how often you use your nice warn ;) then think about amber's use

nakman
12-02-2009, 05:17 PM
Ok so dumb this down for me Jeff.. is that saying at 5 wraps the M12 is really a M9250? not as bad as I thought if so.

subzali
12-02-2009, 05:23 PM
correct.

corsair23
12-02-2009, 06:19 PM
Ok so dumb this down for me Jeff.. is that saying at 5 wraps the M12 is really a M9250? not as bad as I thought if so.

Dude...I just repost stuff...I don't claim to understand it :hill:

Luckily Matt's got my back :cool: