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Rezarf
04-02-2009, 01:01 PM
I am slowly trying to convert the 40 into a three passenger vehicle. I don't forsee our new kiddo making this season but next season should be attainable.

First, can I see your kid friendly 40 backseats/setups? Thanks!

Second, here is my thinking for mods over the next year:

1. Install full family cage (maybe Metal tech or homebuilt).
2. Harnesses/quality belts up front and out back.
3. Some sort of rear bench seat, like Mastercraft, or a fold and tumble.

I am convienced that the cage is next on the list. Probably wont make this season but could probably get it in early fall/winter. I feel comfortable welding at this point, enough to put my life on the line, but what about designing a cage. I don't want a jungle gym on top of the 40 but I am guessing there is enough knowlege here to knock out a safe/nice looking cage?

Thanks!:thumb:

MDH33
04-02-2009, 01:47 PM
The Metaltech cages you mention look really stout and since you have the welding skillz, you could order one of their kits and weld it together yourself. Let them do all the designing, measuring, bending of tube while you can concentrate on sparks and baby poo. :p: ;)

Nay
04-02-2009, 04:13 PM
Premier Racing Products makes carseat sized and kid sized five point seats. If I had a 40 I'd bolt these into a cage with five points once I was out of rear facing carseat stage.

First pic is carseat sized, second is kid sized just sitting in my old XJ. I was going to bolt four of these into the cage in my old XJ before I realized I was insane, sold it, and bought an 80 :D

nakman
04-02-2009, 04:16 PM
The Metaltech cages you mention look really stout and since you have the welding skillz, you could order one of their kits and weld it together yourself. Let them do all the designing, measuring, bending of tube while you can concentrate on sparks and baby poo. :p: ;)

I was going to say the same thing. Mark at MT has already figured this out, and his cages are nothing short of gorgeous when welded up properly., which you can do. When I had a 40 Jim at Solid Rock welded mine up, and he pieced together the back portion and made it low enough that the soft top bows would fold back without having to be undone, something I thought was important.

As for securing the car seat, I had some mounts bolted into the floor, with backing plates underneath. Other mounts were just eyelets into the cage itself. No, they weren't rated to anything spectacular, whatever a 1/2" bolt is. I think Gavin only wheeled in the 40 a couple times and he rode in front though both times, just using the car seat and seat belt in the front seat. They didn't have air bags back then, so front seats are less of a risk, though your risk tolerance may be different than mine, I always thought the bigger risk was just taking the 40 in the first place, and do I have enough food & diapers to make it until someone comes and gets me if the dang thing breaks down.

Rezarf
04-02-2009, 05:01 PM
Thanks guys!

Hulk, wasn't (isn't) your 40 baby ready out back?

Drew

Mendocino
04-02-2009, 05:14 PM
Here is a picture from the 40s Run with Jake and Charlie in the back of the Hulk. I don't have any picture of the mooring but I'm sure Matt can elaborate.

Rezarf
04-02-2009, 05:16 PM
Dont see nothing Jeff?

Mendocino
04-02-2009, 05:18 PM
Dont see nothing Jeff?
I had to resize it.

wesintl
04-02-2009, 05:21 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Toyota_Land_Cruiser.JPG/800px-Toyota_Land_Cruiser.JPG

corsair23
04-02-2009, 05:22 PM
Drew,

My plan has been 5+ yrs in the making so take it for what it is worth :)

My suggestion, get a fold and tumble Heep seat and call it good (many brands are available). If you want to go with something else here is what I have been toying with:

1) Front bucket seats from a Chevy Trailblazer
Pros: they have integrated seat belts, have a high back, and they fit (looked at many seats with integrated belts and these were pretty much the only that I could find would fit).
Cons: they are high (sort of look out of place); mounting them requires some fab work (not a problem for you :D); no fold and tumble; and they are heavy and BIG, leaving little room for anything else in the back (again, not a problem for you since you have that awesome trailer)
2) Middle row seats out of a early model Dodge Durango
Pros: Smaller; semi high back; fold and tumble; mounting should be relatively easy; and I "believe they will fit"
Cons: No integrated seat belts
I had a '99 Dodge Durango and at one time measured the middle row seats and I believe, with the middle section cut out (they are a 40/20/40 setup) they will fit in the 40 between the wheel wells. I even went so far and bought 2 sets of middle row seats. That is as far as I have gotten so far though :(. I also picked up a set of the 3pt seat belts for the middle row seats out of a Durango so I would have 3pr seat belts attached off the family cage. Some day I might even get around to actually mocking something up to see how it looks (I've been waiting until I take the hard top off which hasn't happened since I bought the 40 and put the top on)

In the end IMHO it will cost you more to come up with something different than an off the shelf solution unless you can find what you need in a salvage yard. I can't remember what the Trailblazer or Durango seats cost me but it was probably close to any one of the off the shelf solutions you can find. I just had to be different for some reason (that and I wanted higher back seats for the kid's car seats).

Anyway, here are a bunch of MUD threads that I had bookmarked from back when. The first one shows what the Trailblazer seats look like mounted. The guy that owns that 40 contacted me after seeing a post I made about the Trailblazer seats. He ended up buying and installing a set (obviously way ahead of me ever getting around to doing so :)).


Trailblazer Seats (http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/237724-dynamat-sound-deadening-completed.html)

Rear Bench Seats #1 (http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/96515-infant-child-seats.html)

Rear Bench Seats #2 (http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/109288-fj40-rear-bench-seat.html)

Rear Bench Seats #3 (http://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/124987-child-seat-tether-anchor-ideas.html)

Rear Bench Seats #4 (http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/224544-rear-bench-seat.html)

Rezarf
04-02-2009, 05:23 PM
I knew it was coming, we'd probably go for a Hundo' first. :D

Rezarf
04-02-2009, 05:29 PM
Drew,

My plan has been 5+ yrs in the making so take it for what it is worth :)

My suggestion, get a fold and tumble Heep seat and call it good (many brands are available). If you want to go with something else here is what I have been toying with:

1) Front bucket seats from a Chevy Trailblazer
Pros: they have integrated seat belts, have a high back, and they fit (looked at many seats with integrated belts and these were pretty much the only that I could find would fit).
Cons: they are high (sort of look out of place); mounting them requires some fab work (not a problem for you :D); no fold and tumble; and they are heavy and BIG, leaving little room for anything else in the back (again, not a problem for you since you have that awesome trailer)
2) Middle row seats out of a early model Dodge Durango
Pros: Smaller; semi high back; fold and tumble; mounting should be relatively easy; and I "believe they will fit"
Cons: No integrated seat belts
I had a '99 Dodge Durango and at one time measured the middle row seats and I believe, with the middle section cut out (they are a 40/20/40 setup) they will fit in the 40 between the wheel wells. I even went so far and bought 2 sets of middle row seats. That is as far as I have gotten so far though :(. I also picked up a set of the 3pt seat belts for the middle row seats out of a Durango so I would have 3pr seat belts attached off the family cage. Some day I might even get around to actually mocking something up to see how it looks (I've been waiting until I take the hard top off which hasn't happened since I bought the 40 and put the top on)

In the end IMHO it will cost you more to come up with something different than an off the shelf solution unless you can find what you need in a salvage yard. I can't remember what the Trailblazer or Durango seats cost me but it was probably close to any one of the off the shelf solutions you can find. I just had to be different for some reason (that and I wanted higher back seats for the kid's car seats).

Anyway, here are a bunch of MUD threads that I had bookmarked from back when. The first one shows what the Trailblazer seats look like mounted. The guy that owns that 40 contacted me after seeing a post I made about the Trailblazer seats. He ended up buying and installing a set (obviously way ahead of me ever getting around to doing so :)).


Trailblazer Seats (http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/237724-dynamat-sound-deadening-completed.html)

Rear Bench Seats #1 (http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/96515-infant-child-seats.html)

Rear Bench Seats #2 (http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/109288-fj40-rear-bench-seat.html)

Rear Bench Seats #3 (http://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/124987-child-seat-tether-anchor-ideas.html)

Rear Bench Seats #4 (http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/224544-rear-bench-seat.html)


WOW! Thanks Jeff!

Drew:thumb:

Hulk
04-02-2009, 07:55 PM
Mine is an old Conn-Ferr bench seat. They are overpriced for what they are due to the fact that they are not making them anymore. If I was doing it again, I would simply buy a new fold and tumble seat from Iron Pig Offroad (http://www.ironpigoffroad.com/interiorexterior/seats.shtml). I spent more on my used seat, painting it and getting it recovered, and it's still not as nice as the ones Lance sells.

The Conn-Ferr seat has a really low back, too, with no headrests. :mad:

I have lap belts only from my old jump seats (which I sold). These work fine to strap in some full-size car seats with 5-point harnesses. At some future time, soon, I will need to get some shoulder straps so the kids can use their boosters rather than regular car seats.

nakman
04-02-2009, 10:12 PM
Drew, here are a couple shots of the rear cage that Jim welded. :weld: notice how it gets a little lower in back so you can fold the bows down. For big folks, you had to put your head between the bars which would have been ok to run over to the mall or something, but you wouldn't want to wheel like that. But what big person wheels in the back of a 40 anyway?

nakman
04-02-2009, 10:16 PM
But again, Gavin always just rode in front.. man we had fun in that truck :o

Rezarf
04-02-2009, 10:36 PM
Thanks Matt and Nak!

I appreciate it. I love the look of the seat from Lance. I think it is a best top model?

We will probably go with something like that.

Drew

Vitesse_6
04-02-2009, 10:41 PM
FWIW, PRP seats and 4pt harness

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3156231617_0a4b24f2ea_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/3158344553_e6d7750ede_b.jpg

Im still working on putting it back together, Ive got the 3 cruiser blues at the moment

Rezarf
04-03-2009, 01:38 PM
WOW! That looks great, I like those bench seats a lot. They look comfy... at least enough for toddlers.

Drew

Vitesse_6
04-03-2009, 02:10 PM
I fit back there (5'10") It wouldnt be ideal for long trips but it can be done

Rzeppa
04-06-2009, 08:48 PM
When my kids were little, they rode in their cars seats which were strapped to the jump seats. They were fine.

They are 26 and 24 now, having survived being brought home from the hospital when they were first born in a 40, and the only car we had until they learned to drive themselves.

Hulk
04-06-2009, 09:59 PM
I know you have said this before, Jeff, but this is a different era of safety regulations. Considering seat belt laws and child seat laws, it may not be legal to buckle in a child seat that is meant to face backward (for infants and babies up to 1 y.o.) or face forward (for all other kids seats, including boosters) into a jump seat that would have the child facing sideways.

When I was a kid, I used to ride in the rumble seat of my Dad's Model A Ford (really). I wonder what the law would say about that these days?

Rzeppa
04-06-2009, 10:23 PM
I know you have said this before, Jeff, but this is a different era of safety regulations. Considering seat belt laws and child seat laws, it may not be legal to buckle in a child seat that is meant to face backward (for infants and babies up to 1 y.o.) or face forward (for all other kids seats, including boosters) into a jump seat that would have the child facing sideways.

When I was a kid, I used to ride in the rumble seat of my Dad's Model A Ford (really). I wonder what the law would say about that these days?

Good point on the legalities, I really don't know. I know that for adults, you only need what came with the vehicle when it was built, and be buckled up.

When I was a kid my sister and I used to ride in the "way back" of the family station wagon. But from a more practical "what would happen if?" standpoint, when I rolled my 40 at 45 MPH on pavement, the kids weren't in there, but the kid seats were, and it was clear that the kids would have been fine had they been there. I was belted up, and climbed out the (shattered) side window with nothing more than a scratch on my finger. The factory roll bar did its job, and the entire rear compartment was fine. A frontal collision would probably not have been as good with the side forces on their heads and necks.

Jacket
04-06-2009, 10:55 PM
Drew,

I was looking at this one a while back:

TrailMax II (http://www.quadratec.com/products/24279_1XX_PG.htm)

IIRC - The one designed for the TJ is 41" across, which would be a tight fit between the wheel wells - but possible.

Pros: Fold and tumble, similar styling, and integrated head rests for when the kid graduates to a booster.

Cons: No seat belts - gotta figure that one out.

Rezarf
04-07-2009, 08:56 PM
Thanks everyone, this gives me a lot to go on.

Drew

isotel
04-08-2009, 03:24 PM
I am Very Happy with the Way my Rear seats came out!

http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/229785-best-rear-seats-ever-geo-tracker-suzuki-sidekick.html

You could add some harness mounts with a spreader behind them, and when the kiddos are not in the truck they fold forward or Flat.. Even Adults have been impressed with the comfort!

Dont Forget Redline in your Cage Decision Process, let me know if you have any questions

corsair23
04-15-2009, 04:11 PM
Drew,

Yet another option :D

http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/seatbenchfj40.html

Same seat Matt posted up (Bestop TrailMax II) but CCOT has gone ahead "and designed a custom FJ40 seat mounting and seat belt system" for it...at a premium of about $200 of course...Not sure if the "prop stick" is part of the Bestop seat or a CCOT addition as well.

I like those seats but to me they seem to sit too low to the floor :confused:

daisydog34
04-16-2009, 06:54 PM
I am currently working on my 40/buggy cage and am planning to have provisions for a child racing seat in the rear. One thing that I didn't see you provide was if you are running belts or harnesses. After building quite a few cages and rigs I would recommend that either the seats and belts/harnesses are all bolted to the same structure. When I build cages for people I always put in seat craddles and harness bars. This is so if the cage were to seperate from the body you stay secured in the part that is designed to protect you. I have seen too many people bolt their seats to the body and their harnesses to the cage, thus major injury if the cage were to seperate!:(

May be kinda off topic, but nobody brought it up, just something to think about!