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FJBen
03-16-2006, 10:28 AM
I'm looking at getting new tires for my 80, and the two contenders are the Goodyear MT/R or the Toyo M/T.

I have experience witht the MT/R and have seen it preform. I've just noticed the Toyo M/T and it looks like a great tire. It is said to have a stronger sidewall, quieter and better wear. Con's are it weighs more ( 76lbs vs MT/R 63lbs)


Anyone have any experience with the Toyo??? thoughts? I'll be putting on a 315/75/R16...

thx

Toyo M/T
Size
LT315/75R16

Weight
76 lbs

Tread Depth
21/32

Size
34.9

Width
12.9

Max Load
3860 lbs.

http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_lines/popups/jpgs/opmt.jpg

Goodyear MT/R

Size Weight Tread Depth Size Width Max Load
315/75 PR16

Weight
62 lbs

Tread Depth
19/32

Size
34.8

Width
12.3

Max Load
3195 lbs

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/goodyear/gy_wrangler_mtr.jpg

nakman
03-16-2006, 10:49 AM
Only things I've heard about Toyos have been positive.. there was a recent thread in the 80's section of ih8mud about them, did you see that? Of course, I've only heard good things about Goodyears too.. but when you drop >$225 per tire you're going to like the results, no matter what. I vote Toyo's, FWIW.

Hulk
03-16-2006, 01:17 PM
The Toyos will be more unique, so you will be a :grinpimp: and people will :drool: over your rig.

PabloCruise
03-16-2006, 03:07 PM
Toyo's usually get the thumbs up from pro wrenchs... Didn't know they made an M/T.

FWIW, I have been running Toyos on the Civic (not the M/T's) for ~ 3.5 years and think they have yet to wear...

From the specs you posted it looks like the Toyo is a bigger, heavier duty tire. If price is close, I'd go Toyo...

Nay
03-16-2006, 03:40 PM
The Toyos tread design looks like is was patterned off the MT/R with a lean to the traditional MT tread design. Just guessing here...the MT/R is probably a better rock tire, and the Toyo MT is probably a better mud tire.

Any reason TRXUS MT's are not on your list? I went with TRXUS because of the onroad snow capability, which is unbelievable, without sacrificing a quiet ride or all the good offroad capability.

I seriously considered MT/R's, but I don't think I'll ever find the limits in an 80 where the extra rock capability is discernible, and I've always had doubts about the MT/R in severe winter conditions (I seem to have a high probability for unintended winter misadventures with my family, so I plan for this :D )

Nay

Rezarf
03-16-2006, 03:42 PM
I am running the 35" MT/R's and I love them. I went from Swampers to Goodyears, bias ply to radial, thornbirds to MT/R's... as you can imagine, I felt like I got a new ride!

I looked at all the tires out there, the Goodyears have a very impressive side wall, and mine are wearing really well, and mine is a DD.

FWIW, I bought mine online at Summit Racing and Walmart can get the MT/R's if you special order them, but then you can get the lifetime balance and rotation, they had a great price too.

I have heard the MT/R's are hard to find right now, but that might only be the 35x12.50's.

Either way you go, they are great tires.

Drew

Uncle Ben
03-16-2006, 04:29 PM
Toyos are great tires! A big bonus in the 315 department is MT/R's are the shortest actual size of any the radials out there and Toyo's tend to be much closer to advertised size. You gotta actually measure them as the published sizes lie!

FJBen
03-16-2006, 04:48 PM
Hmm...I'm leaning more towards the Toyo's...plus i'm getting quoted a chunk cheaper on price...which was surprising as to what I had read online.

I had read online a lot about the Trxxus wearing pretty quickly but haven't had a ton of people coming up and telling me to stay away from them.

hmmmm....

Red_Chili
03-17-2006, 08:49 AM
Trxxus do wear quickly, but work well. Mileage at those prices is important to me.

Toyos or MT/Rs are both high quality, good functioning tires. I love my MT/Rs in all conditions.

powderpig
03-17-2006, 10:04 AM
I have the MT/R's and I have had the trxus in the past (wear real quickly, but talk Uncle ben about his side wall experence). I will be trying the Toyo's next toward the end of summer when I get the last out of the set of MT/R I have. Or I may try the Cooper Discovery SST's. These have a 3 ply side wall as well and the thrid ply is at a 30 degree angle to the rest, almost like a mix between bias and radial. It may improve side wall tears some what. While the Mt/r have been great, I have gottne 3 side wall punctures in one summer(that was a costly summer). My trxus set wore teriably and I was a slave to keeping them balanced and rotated. I finally got rid of them(justin morgan has them now I beleive), I did not like them for the loss of fuel ecomany and wear, and the extra work involved in them.
So I will either get the Toyo or the Cooper in the late summer( after I save my money, I will also be looking to go to 37's in either tire), the Mt/R in a 35 is small and I am tire of it. later robbie

Red_Chili
03-17-2006, 11:22 AM
I had Coopers a long while ago on my '82 pickup. Couldn't keep them balanced, they kept shifting belts.

Mind you, that was a long time ago and things change. My memory of them stuck with me though.

Uncle Ben
03-17-2006, 11:36 AM
Yes I have Truxus M/T's and it is a love/hate relationship. Mileage of an off road tire is a trade off. High traction in all enviornments and long life simply are not descriptions of the same tire (any tire!). When I first purchased my set it wasn't because of word of mouth but rather research. I wanted to run 315 BFG A/T's for longer life and quieter road manors and planned on 315 MT/R's for aggresive off highway use. The MTR's in 315/75R-16 were backordered and no solid delivery date was available. I asked many questions on alternatives and read what people who actually had them said. I went with a set based on the acquired knowledge with the though that if I hated them or when they wore out I would replace them with MT/R's. Well I still run them and to be honest I like them better than MT'R's by quite a margin! They do have faster wear than say an AT but they seem to have about the same usable (my interpretation of usable is when a tire no longer has the performance I expect then it's no longer usable, I also will not run a bald tire {bald IMO is when the wear bars have become part of the tread pattern} so when I consider a tire worn out others may still see it good for another 10k) life as MT/R's. I guess I'll break it down to pro's and con's to explain my experiance with them....

Pro's
Very quiet on highway!!!

tough sidewalls (for a radial)

true size

in stock and available at any 4WPW store.

Excellant traction on most surfaces (took a while to lean how much air to let out on icy snow....sidewalls are thick!)

excellant road hazzard warranty!

Stable to 80mph!

Con's
Need constant rotation/balance to keep wear uniform (I rotate/balance every 3500 miles when I change oil)

can be weight hungry ( I have one that has quite a bit of lead on the wheel)

20 to 25k max "usefull" life (probably will last at least to 30-35k)

Narrow profile (not really a con but not a pro either)

aggresive tread pushes a lot of air MPG is lower

4WPW couldn't balance a tire on a lawn mower!

ice traction is terrible unless air pressure is dropped to 10#'s or lower then
the ice traction is fantastic!

Not speed rated ( become egg shaped over 90mph!)

cant find a AT that is a true 35" tall for second set of tires

I'll add to the list as I think of more stuff.

Bottom line....I didn't expect much when I bought them now I don't see much that can compare in the high traction mall cruiser tire department that won't sound like a kazillion bumble bees rumbling down the road!

Red_Chili
03-17-2006, 01:53 PM
High traction in all enviornments and long life simply are not descriptions of the same tire (any tire!). Hmmmm... I figgered the 40K+ miles I got on my last MT/Rs qualified as long life, but true, it ain't the 60K you might get with well-balanced and oft-rotated ATs I guess.

Nay
03-18-2006, 03:01 PM
Hmmmm... I figgered the 40K+ miles I got on my last MT/Rs qualified as long life, but true, it ain't the 60K you might get with well-balanced and oft-rotated ATs I guess.

The question is how you get 60K+ nice and quiet miles on an AT when the words "oft-rotated" apply not to your tire shop but to spinning 'em out in the rocks...

Red_Chili
03-20-2006, 08:11 AM
BTW, regarding spinning tires on wheels and thus requiring a rebalance...

I installed some auto balancers (Centramatic) on the Chili and they seem to work purty darn well. Not perfect, but I didn't expect perfect. They are a DURN sight better than lead weights though! Always reasonably smooth, just a little hop at 65-68 mph, most likely the tires themselves. Or sumthin'. Doesn't bother me.

I did have to sleeve my metric lugs with some shrink tube to make sure they centered (and they MUST be centered to work), not a huge deal. I also had to dish the rears when I went to rear disks, they worked fine with the stock drums.

The process of dishing the 'pizza plate' balancers also provided some endless mirth and delight for my wife, who threatened to take a movie and put it online. Good thing she is technologically challenged!