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Mendocino
05-18-2009, 10:01 PM
So, the Chrysler dealers are being culled; Chrysler can't buy back their "excess" inventory due to looming bankruptcy; they have until 9 June to liquidate their inventory; they are making great deals (really great deals). So, would you buy a Heep?

Discuss:D

Jacket
05-18-2009, 10:03 PM
I would if given the right circumstance. The 4 door Unlimiteds with the F&R lockers is a pretty sweet setup from the factory.

That being said, I think my son would call me a hypocrite and disown me if I did it.....

MDH33
05-18-2009, 10:06 PM
New vehicles lose value the second they roll off the lot. Even at cut rates, you're still going to lose money. Buy a nice FJ40 and it might actually hold it's value. ;)

Beater
05-18-2009, 10:19 PM
morgan and I were at a show some time back when the unlimited rubicon came out, with the sectioned roof and hose out interior... coils, lockers, and utility. yeah, I would, and probably over a fjc due to the doors and live axle.

j

corsair23
05-18-2009, 11:57 PM
morgan and I were at a show some time back when the unlimited rubicon came out, with the sectioned roof and hose out interior... coils, lockers, and utility. yeah, I would, and probably over a fjc due to the doors and live axle.

j

x2 - I know they are cheap (material wise) but I think Toyota missed the boat on the FJC having the 2 door with mini door rear, especially when it comes to finding a family vehicle. I was pretty impressed the one time I sat in a 4 door Unlimited Rubicon...Luckily I have an 80 :D

jacdaw
05-19-2009, 12:12 AM
So, the Chrysler dealers are being culled; Chrysler can't buy back their "excess" inventory due to looming bankruptcy; they have until 9 June to liquidate their inventory; they are making great deals (really great deals). So, would you buy a Heep?
Discuss:DAs far as I can tell, no CO Chrysler Group dealers got the axe, so you'd have to hope for inventory shifting or go out of state.

I owned an '06 TJ SE for a year and a half. Despite being rusty in many cases, you're just much better off buying a 40 if you want a SWB 4x4. The Jeeps made in te past 10 years or more are just not very stout in my opinion. I have had good experiences in the Cherokees, but when the unibody starts to go, it goes fast. Door hinges are particularly bad.

I had high hopes for the Commander, as I like square edges on my LWB wagons, but it too dissapointed on the test drive. For what I spent on the TJ I coulda had very nice used 911. Doh!

sleeoffroad
05-19-2009, 07:55 AM
As far as I can tell, no CO Chrysler Group dealers got the axe, so you'd have to hope for inventory shifting or go out of state.

Check the list, there is quite a few. Medved being one, Burt in Parker and some more. Especially small town dealers, but there are some big names in there as well.

jacdaw
05-19-2009, 07:59 AM
Check the list, there is quite a few. Medved being one, Burt in Parker and some more. Especially small town dealers, but there are some big names in there as well.Hmmm, the map I saw showed CO free and clear for Chrysler but big hits for GM. You can never trust the news...

Air Randy
05-19-2009, 08:28 AM
For the right deal I wouldn't hesitate to buy any American vehicle, whether it was Jeep or any other brand.

Everyone has their own opinion but I'm betting there is little if any difference in quality between an FJC and a similarly equipped Jeep.

My first Jeep was a 1973 CJ5, next was a 1995 Cherokee. Bother were excellent vehicles that gave long service with nothing but normal maintenance.

waggoner5
05-19-2009, 09:12 AM
I would buy a 4 door Rubicon in a second. They drive nice, lots of aftermarket support, and they are new. Nothing like that new car smell.

Chris
05-19-2009, 09:16 AM
Check the list, there is quite a few. Medved being one, Burt in Parker and some more. Especially small town dealers, but there are some big names in there as well.

Twelve CO locations were shown on the news.

Yes, I'd buy a Rubicon, know some folks with them and they're quite nice and very capable.

EWheeler
05-19-2009, 09:47 AM
Agreed. A 4 door Rubicon would be an awesome rig if you had a couple little ones to tote around on the trail. I am also a fan of the Unlimited Rubicons, reminds me of the BJ44 or 43 (whatever one has the extended rear storage area), which is my dream rig. As much as I love my 40, I went wheeling with my roommate down in Moab a couple weekends ago (40 is out of commission) and I was absolutely amazed where he could go with just a 4" lift, new 33" BFGs, with open diffs. Coil spring suspensions are sweet!

sleeoffroad
05-19-2009, 10:06 AM
Here is the list.
http://aftermarketbusiness.search-autoparts.com/aftermarketbusiness/data/articlestandard//aftermarketbusiness/202009/598348/article.pdf

AxleIke
05-19-2009, 12:15 PM
I'd buy a rubi if I had the cash. They are set up pretty well from the factory. Yeah, its a heep, but they are supposed to be getting better with reliability.

powderpig
05-19-2009, 12:46 PM
Sorry Randy, Jeep according to JD powers is well behind the Toyota. This is matching the Wrangler unlimited to the FJC. While I too would like what Jeep has to offer, the quality is not the same and will be a time before it get there.
I am sure that some remember the Jeep Rescue concept vehicles(5-6 years ago).
that is a truck after my heart. Never went into production, but sure would of been nice. Cummins bta6, 5 or 6 speed manual, dana 60 hardware underneith, 35 inch tire form the factory, a bit bigger than the unlimited in size. A cool truck for sure.
While some of the drive train is upgraded, it still does not have heavy duty stuff under.
Good luck with the thought process.

ScaldedDog
05-19-2009, 12:49 PM
The Unlimited Rubicon is the new 1st gen 4Runner. That, and the fact that Jeep has value and will get picked up along the line, would make me feel quite good about buying one.

Mark

corsair23
05-19-2009, 12:53 PM
Here is the list.
http://aftermarketbusiness.search-autoparts.com/aftermarketbusiness/data/articlestandard//aftermarketbusiness/202009/598348/article.pdf


I find it interesting that they're cancelling the contract with Medved in Wheatridge but not with Go Jeep on Broadway? I've never been to/in Medved but I have to imagine it is a ton nicer that Go Jeep (where we use to take our Liberty)...The only thing that place had going for it was its proximity to us making it convenient. I can't imagine they sell more Jeeps than Medved does but whadda I know :confused:

DaveInDenver
05-19-2009, 01:21 PM
I find it interesting that they're cancelling the contract with Medved in Wheatridge but not with Go Jeep on Broadway? I've never been to/in Medved but I have to imagine it is a ton nicer that Go Jeep (where we use to take our Liberty)...The only thing that place had going for it was its proximity to us making it convenient. I can't imagine they sell more Jeeps than Medved does but whadda I know :confused:
That Jeep dealer is across the street from Burt Toyota, I'm sure that factored into the decision. I've always assumed that with the FJC most people either immediately like it or hate it, so probably a major marketing opportunity for the people who don't care for it to see a Jeep Dangler across the street.

As far as Jeep Rubicon = Toyota FJC quality, just can't see it. The FJ Cruiser is based on the 120-series platform, same as the 4Runner, Taco and GX470, and still made in Japan. I believe they make them in either the Tahara or Hamura plant. Either way, they are made in the same factories that currently make the 4Runner and most of the Lexus vehicles, not to mention where the most Hiluxes have been made over the years (at least up until the current generation production in Thailand). Anyway, other than the front fender issues (which is not workmanship, but a design issue) the FJC seems like a very reliable vehicle.

pmccumber
05-19-2009, 02:05 PM
Here is the list.
http://aftermarketbusiness.search-autoparts.com/aftermarketbusiness/data/articlestandard//aftermarketbusiness/202009/598348/article.pdf

The King Auto Group in Longmont, on the list that Christo posted is indeed on the list and has big, gaudy liquidation signs. I see them on the way home on the corner of Pratt and Sunset.

I know it is anecdotal but my brother-in-law has a '03 Jeep and we have a '03 4Runner and he knows his service manager like they're neighbors. I think he listed him as a reference on his security clearance as "someone who knows you well."

Red_Chili
05-19-2009, 02:53 PM
The Unlimited Rubicon is the new 1st gen 4Runner. That, and the fact that Jeep has value and will get picked up along the line, would make me feel quite good about buying one.

Mark
+1.
Toyota forgot me a long time ago it seems. I'm thinking I have upgraded nearly everything on the Chili that I would have upgraded on a 4-door Rubi.

I do my own work anyway.

DaveInDenver
05-19-2009, 03:22 PM
+1.
Toyota forgot me a long time ago it seems. I'm thinking I have upgraded nearly everything on the Chili that I would have upgraded on a 4-door Rubi.
A few years ago (OK, 13 years ago now) I bought a brand new Ford Ranger after driving beaters (1956 Plymouth, 1978 Ford, 1985 Chevy leading up to a 1983 Civic) for the first 9 years of my driving life. I was 25, single, good job, lots of cash. It had 6 miles on it's odo when I took it home. We brought it out here about 6 months after getting it. I owned it outright after 3 years, even. I sold it in 2000 with 70K on it and in that span it got a new transmission, 2 intake gaskets (the 4.0L V6, seems it had a poorly machined mating surface and blew out intake gaskets), both front wheel bearings, one hub (seized WB at 33K ruined the spindle), rear driveshaft u-joints, rear axle seals and a heater core that split a seam.

The 1978 FJ40 I got after it was much more reliable and that's not saying much (right Root?). In comparison my '91, well there is no comparison. And so far our 4Runner (which is at I think 42K) has had zero days in the dealer other than oil changes. And to listen to current Dodgechevyford owners the quality doesn't seem any better. No thanks, as far as I'm concerned the domestic brands had their chance and have lost me for good. The Rubicon might be a well spec'd truck on paper but I'll never know personally first hand. Heck, my dad is still anti-Japanese and has had 3 GM mini vans since I bought my pickup. The first one (Chevy Astro) had a tranny fail and the second (GMC Safari) had a rear end lock up on him on the highway. The one he has now has been fine so far, but it's only a couple of years old. Sorry, but a 33% success rate is exactly why GM is getting what it deserves for all I care.

Am I being too harsh? Maybe, but in around 9 years I've spent less time wrenching on my 18 year old truck than I did in 4 years on a 4 year old truck (it had a 36K warranty and so I did all the work on it after the first 2.5 years). But I also don't have high hopes that the 4Runner won't start being a PITA with all the electronics in it, so maybe I just expect too much. I do know that my truck will return itself to the Earth naturally with me as the last owner...

leiniesred
05-19-2009, 05:12 PM
If/when my 4Runner blows the engine, I'll probably part it out and go get a Jeep JK 4door Rubicon. Saw one new for $26,999 yesterday in our parking lot.

Why? Well the top comes off. I think I have the newest possible USA Toyota truck that has that feature, and it is 20 years old already.

The made in USA Jeep Rubicon has a 4:1 T-case, front and rear lockers, solid front axle, coil springs, and $140 worth of "lift kit" later and I am clearing 35s. (Sure I'll want to regear too, but I can handle that.) After market parts are easy to find to add some beef to the Dana 44s. I'd have a winter commuter rig, respectable weekend wheeler, and the top would come off!

I understand that an FJ80 could come with a solid front axle, lockers front and rear, etc, but the top doesn't come off without some pretty SERIOUS mods and the effort ($) to fit 35s is a lot higher too.

I've paid my Jeep dues with a 1980 CJ5. My "expectations" of a Jeep are already set (low). One thing I remember is that we always seemed to have a great time in the old CJ5. I'm sure my father-in-law would appreciate me getting a Jeep JK. (He has a TJ he cut in half, added 10 inches, linked, locked Dana 60s, Vortec V8, Atlas T-case, 37s...)

Red_Chili
05-19-2009, 05:39 PM
As a Jeeper said when he passed our group with a broken Toyota, and expected the normal hazing:
They all break.

Yup. They all do.



I like the 4Runner concept a whole lot more than Toyota does apparently. I would do a 4-door JK without much thought.

Except I would have to put an FJ grill on it so I could hang with y'all. Hey, if buggies qualify that would qualify!!

Hulk
05-19-2009, 05:44 PM
The four-door Jeeps Rubicons are pretty sweet. A guy I work with bought one a few weeks ago. He just took it up Rollins Pass until the snow got so deep he couldn't go any further.

The annual "Auto" issue of Consumer Report came out recently. One thing that was interesting is that the quality of Ford vehicles is just behind Japanese vehicles -- they have gotten much better. GM and Chrysler still lag behind, but their quality has improved over the years; it's just that it's still behind the benchmark set by Honda and Toyota.

Red_Chili
05-19-2009, 05:56 PM
Toyota is having their fair share of recalls however. I don't know if sludging is still a problem in '09 but it sure cost some low mileage engine replacements for some folks. Right out of Fordville.

Well, here is a thought... since Toyota has made some sweet running gear/chassis combos (none current IMHO), and Jeep seems to have come up with an interesting body with removable top... A JK on an 80 chassis? Still have the expensive lift to deal with.

OK, OK, I admit it. I have reached the stage where no one really makes a vehicle that I would be completely happy with. I will have to build my own. What will it be?

1) An FJ45 4-door soft top on a modern chassis a la Waggoner.
2) A 4-door 2002-ish Taco with some kind of weatherproof JK top grafted on. I guess. Don't think I could engineer that one satisfactorily though.
3) ...? Dunno.

I am at a loss. Hope the Chili doesn't slip into a black hole or something, I doubt I will ever beat that as far as fitting my ideal. I'm getting too old to try for that again.

wesintl
05-19-2009, 05:58 PM
I drive a vw.. I might as well drive a jeep.

DaveInDenver
05-19-2009, 08:40 PM
Well, here is a thought... since Toyota has made some sweet running gear/chassis combos (none current IMHO), and Jeep seems to have come up with an interesting body with removable top... A JK on an 80 chassis?
How about a 22R powered Rover?
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/features/rover/0611_4wd_1957_range_rover/index.html

Xota...
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=69712

Mendocino
05-19-2009, 09:45 PM
Bill, I think you need anything with a 400 hp fuel injected small block and appropriate drive train.:D

RockRunner
05-19-2009, 10:08 PM
I would not mind the 4 door Rubi, we looked at it before and after we got the FJC. I liked several factors of the Jeep one being the top and the storage. Pull the rear seat and you can nearly sleep in there. One of the things that really turned me off as many others was the lack of power. If you do the $140 lift with 35-37" tires you better re-gear because it has a problem moving.

I really can't compare the FJC to the Jeep except for the fact that they were going after a similar crowd. There are too many differences to be the same or similar. Besides that was not the question.

I would buy a Jeep with a warranty! Some have had great luck while we have all heard the problem stories. I would have to get the warranty since I don't wrench on the engine or most of the drive train. I like the look of the Jeep especially lifted and the aftermarket support is crazy. So yep I would buy one since I do not see any other car company making a vehicle I would want to buy AND wheel for a real world price.