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Romer
03-19-2006, 09:35 AM
My youngest daughter has her Permit and will need a car before the end of the year. She really likes my LX450, but she is not getting that.



I still have 6 months until she gets her license.

Usually the first car is a cheaper car that I won't care if its a little banged up. Don't think a 60 is for Sarah. First the wife said it MUST be an automatic, no changing that criteria.

So, I had an idea and just chewing it on it for a little while.

What if I put a V8 and automatic into the 40. It would still be my 40 and give her something to drive for 2 years. I know the automatic is not the best for wheeling, but you can wheel. I could also get a good price for my 2F setup to help offset the cost. Who does this and how much does it typically cost if I take it to a shop?

Thoughts please.

Thanks

Uncle Ben
03-19-2006, 09:48 AM
Ken,
I'm right there with ya! Kelsey gets her license end of May.....eek! Your V-8 40 idea sounds like a good one. One question....who ever told you an auto wasn't as good for wheeling? The only thing a stick has an advantage of in wheeling is coming down the hill as the auto has very little compression braking ability. You already addressed the issue with the rear disks so I'd say you were set! :thumb:

Romer
03-19-2006, 10:06 AM
Thanks Kevin. I still have Drums on the back, but I was thinking of doing that swap as well.

PabloCruise
03-19-2006, 10:47 AM
Ken,

I like you, and presume I would like your family as well.

Manual/auto - whatever. I think kids should learn to drive manual, but I am not going to go up against the Mrs. Romer on that...

I DO NOT think a V8J40 would be a good first vehicle for a 16 year old. Short wheelbase, plenty of power, higher center of gravity.

Unless you do not want the daughter, or the 40, to stick around very long, get her something a little lower, slower, predictable. Train her in the 40 under your watchful eye w/ the 2F and 4 spd...

Just my $0.02.

Good luck - I'm about 16 years behind you on this topic!

Romer
03-19-2006, 11:21 AM
I would not have considered something like this for Rachel, but Sarah is a different person and I would not the above concerns with her. This is just one of many things I am looking at and am more interested in the technical aspects.

nuclearlemon
03-19-2006, 11:40 AM
autos are great for early wheelers because they can work the brake and not worry as much about stalling the rig, and they don't make the mistake of pushing the clutch pedal :eek: also, you don't have them attempting to shift when they shouldn't.

that said, i think good kids should learn to drive stick, also. bad kids shouldn't cause i don't want em stealing my rigs :D

if you go v8, don't mod it...waste of money. i also agree the short wheelbase may not be great mainly in the bad weather, but she's got a good head on her and may be great.

what about just the auto and keep your six. nothing wheels better than the stock six.

Romer
03-19-2006, 11:43 AM
OK, whats involved in an auto on a 2F?

Shark Bait
03-19-2006, 01:10 PM
Does she want a car or a 4-wheeler? The RX-300s are nice. Like a Highlander. Or maybe a Prius if she's she's leaning towards a car.

nakman
03-19-2006, 02:12 PM
Why not another Runner?

bh4rnnr
03-19-2006, 02:17 PM
Does she want a car or a 4-wheeler? The RX-300s are nice. Like a Highlander. Or maybe a Prius if she's she's leaning towards a car.

Rx's are nice, a few things to watch out for are: Rear Main Seals leak. Tires wear on the inside/outside edge(mainly when people do not rotate every 5k). Dash's rattle(center pins). Antenna motors make noise alot(Seems that the mast breaks a lot on those to...). Good luck finding a :robbie: :beer: .

wesintl
03-19-2006, 02:25 PM
Why not another Runner?


that was my thinking too. :blah: :bored:

Romer
03-19-2006, 02:45 PM
Since this is her first car it would probably be a late 80's runner.

I am just kicking this around. Rachel got to park in the garage during High School and when she graduated, I made her park on the street. Sarah will get to park in the garage, so I will (LX450) then be parking on the street again. No real biggie, but if she was driving the 40, it's already in in the garage and it's staying there. I know wa wa wa

I also was thinking, instead of spending money on another car, I could use this as an excuse to hire Oleg to replace the rear qtr panels and paint the truck. Also, duraline the bed and put disc brakes on the rear. Buy a better rear bumper/tire carrier. This would not become Sarah's car, but it would be the car she drives until she gets a better one when she is 18. It would still be my 40 and stay my 40, it would just become a nicer 40.

Like I said, running through options and have no clue what to do yet.

Shark Bait
03-19-2006, 04:03 PM
Since this is her first car it would probably be a late 80's runner.

So Ken, is she into 4-wheeling or are going to find out in Moab? :D That might help decide. a 4-Runner would be cool either way.

Romer
03-19-2006, 04:10 PM
So Ken, is she into 4-wheeling or are going to find out in Moab? :D That might help decide. a 4-Runner would be cool either way.


We will find out at Moab. I think she will be. I have 6 months to figure this out, or 5 if I want to do a lot of work on the 40.

IanB
03-19-2006, 05:08 PM
I second the motion to learn on a stick. Once you do you can drive anything.

Shark Bait
03-19-2006, 05:21 PM
I think she needs an FJ55. Lots of cargo room for all those books and stuff. ;)

Uncle Ben
03-19-2006, 10:32 PM
I find it ironic that everyone who replied except Romer and I have no teenage daughters! :rolleyes: Forget how you were in highschool, daughters are differant. That's both a good thing and a bad thing. The worse part of daughters is the boyfriend! Unfortunately in my experiance (and a common point of contention :rant: in the household) is the fact that it's hard to shift, turn a corner, slip in a CD and talk on the cell phone at the same time. I'm not being sexest....just pointing out observations. :eek: Autos, power steering and great brakes go a looooonnnnnggggg way with a teenage girl at the helm! :Princess:

Shark Bait
03-19-2006, 11:42 PM
Hey, that's why I suggested an RX-300. :o My last post was kind of tounge-in-cheek. Put the back seat down and there's lot's of room! :D :D ;)

nuclearlemon
03-20-2006, 12:52 AM
[QUOTE=Uncle Ben is the fact that it's hard to shift, turn a corner, slip in a CD and talk on the cell phone at the same time. :[/QUOTE]
and yet it's usually teen age boys that are in the major accidents all the time

Nay
03-20-2006, 10:03 AM
and yet it's usually teen age boys that are in the major accidents all the time

I think maybe that isn't so accurate...but rather it is the boys that cause more major accidents? I am not sure the receiving end statistics discriminate on gender, and that may be the greater tragedy.

The big question I'd look at is "what happens if she gets hit?" You know, maybe some kid gets a FZJ80 and puts on a lift and ARB bull bar ;) and broadsides her in an intersection at 40 mph. Do you want her in the 40? Doesn't seem it would matter much what transmission and engine you have.

My oldest is only 7, and my only girl isn't even walking yet, but I see the tough issue ahead. I bought a minivan to have three rows of side curtain airbags and 5 star crash ratings, and the expensive Britax car seats, to keep them as safe as money can buy. Then they turn 16 and we hit that quandry of giving them the "cheap" vehicle (we don't want them to wreck the nice vehicle and who can afford all of those vehicles anyway?), and now not only are they driving :eek: , but what they are driving is dramatically less safe than what they grew up in as a passenger. I wonder how much that alone contributes to the higher mortality rates in teens (I personally hauled ass around in a sweet 1985 Ford Escort).

If all teenage boys drove minivans, they'd probaby be statistically far safer, and the 2nd and 3rd rows of fold down seats would probably get used a lot more :lmao:

Nay

Uncle Ben
03-20-2006, 10:25 AM
Hey, that's why I suggested an RX-300. :o My last post was kind of tounge-in-cheek. Put the back seat down and there's lot's of room! :D :D ;)

That is a great choice in vehicles but I suggest the 330 as we all know the 3slow is not the best engine Toyo has produced. :rolleyes:

Uncle Ben
03-20-2006, 10:32 AM
and yet it's usually teen age boys that are in the major accidents all the time

Did you miss the part where I mentioned "boyfriends" being a problem? Face it....girls seem to multi-task better but sometimes they prioritize the wrong task. Guys tend to be macho and aggresive and that gets them in deep pooh all the damn time! :blah: Moral of the story.....be smart....do the animal thing and eat your young when they are still sweet! :eek: :lmao:

wesintl
03-20-2006, 10:42 AM
The only reason I think teenagers *should* know how to drive stick is if she/he is parting and they are the only one sober and they can't drive a stick they might be willing to let someone else drive because they don't know how or can't. I guess all this is mute when you have great parents that'll come pick you up at 2am :D

Otherwise I'll be conferring with UB and Romer if I'm lucky enough to have 2 girls :D :thumb:

DesertRat
03-20-2006, 10:52 AM
Being a VERY educated father in the ways of raising 2 daughters I must say that teaching your daughters to drive a stick is a MUST. Most of their friends will be amazed and astounded that they can drive a stick shift....it will even impress the guys which may be a good or bad thing :rolleyes: .
Bottom line.....MAKE them drive a stick for a period of time.
My daughters, now 18 and 23, both rate learning to drive a stick as a highlight!

Uncle Ben
03-20-2006, 10:55 AM
The only reason I think teenagers *should* know how to drive stick is if she/he is parting and they are the only one sober and they can't drive a stick they might be willing to let someone else drive because they don't know how or can't. I guess all this is mute when you have great parents that'll come pick you up at 2am :D

Otherwise I'll be conferring with UB and Romer if I'm lucky enough to have 2 girls :D :thumb:

I totally agree with the learning to drive a stick theory! Both my driving daughters have had private drivers ed lessons with a 5 speed stick. {My brother out-law (my brothers ex-wifes husband :hill: ) does drivers ed both car and CDL and if anyone is interested he's really great at it! ;) } Raising kids is (and will be) an ever changing challenge! Just when you thought you have heard/seen it all they have another birthday! :eek: :blah:

Romer
03-20-2006, 01:29 PM
No doubt she will be learning to drive the stick. I am dealing with Mrs. Romers rule that the car she has be an automatic. Logic and Mom's rules don't always go together.

Hulk
03-21-2006, 05:13 PM
My Mother-In-Law had two girls and a son. She told her girls: "Real women drink beer and can drive a stick shift." And both her girls do both. I married the younger one.