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ginericLC 07-05-2007 06:25 PM

Rubithon 2008
 
So I just returned from Rubithon 2007. It was amazing. That is a tough trail that just keeps going and going and going. It is much different than Cruise Moab in terms of how you socialize and how you wheel. It is a lot of fun. Anyway, I ran into Dave Brown up there and he was saying that he was trying to assemble a mob of you from Colorado to head down to Rubithon 2008. I would highly encourage all of you to try to save some time in vacation schedule and try to make the trip. I put on 2950 miles from driveway back to driveway. Obviously that is a lot more than I needed to but we made it into a family vacation and toured San Diego and worked are way up the coast. We hit Legoland the big Zoos in SD, Pismo, SOR, TLC4x4, and a ton of beaches. Gabe and I were gone for 14 days and Ginger flew in to meet us after Rubithon and she was out for 9 days of vacation. The weather was fantastic and I can assure you it is much different than the Rocky Mountain region. I'll be at the Colorado Cruiser Rallye in August. If you are interested I'll show you my photos then, right now they are sort of guarded for TT. It isn't a trip I'd want to make every year but it is a trip that is definitely worth taking. And with it being the 20th I'm sure they will have some special events planned. I know some of the old time TLCA guys are coming in special for this event. I wish I could do it again but I'm not probably going to be able to do it. Anyway, I thought I'd give a plug for a great event.

60wag 07-05-2007 09:31 PM

It sounds like a blast. I'll bookmark the calender.

Uncle Ben 07-05-2007 09:33 PM

Rubithon is a kick in the tail! I'll go!

subzali 07-05-2007 10:41 PM

If I have enough PTO by then I'll try and go! I am hoping to meet some of the old timers since it's going to be the 20th Ann.!

nakman 07-05-2007 11:27 PM

I'm definitely in, been talking to Dave & a few others about it and am very excited to do this. I know my truck can do it, but is it a good run for families? Or would they have more fun flying to Reno to be picked up when it's all over?

Subzali, if the latter you can ride out with me man.. what are the dates anyway?

Shark Bait 07-05-2007 11:55 PM

I'd love to go. My 40 should be ready and Moab tested by then. :D

Uncle Ben 07-06-2007 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nakman (Post 39544)
I'm definitely in, been talking to Dave & a few others about it and am very excited to do this. I know my truck can do it, but is it a good run for families? Or would they have more fun flying to Reno to be picked up when it's all over?

Subzali, if the latter you can ride out with me man.. what are the dates anyway?

It is beautiful scenery and many families do it but it is a very long couple days of waiting and wheeling and dust. Tough call. My wife would NOT enjoy it! You can however go into Rubicon Springs before the run and get your wife set up in camp if she doesn't mind camping alone for a couple days. Might be able to organize others who don't want to bounce around for days to stay at Lake Tahoe for a day or two then come into Rubicon Springs via Cadillac Hill to meet up with ya. It also is not uncommon for folks to hike along instead of riding the whole way.

Hulk 07-06-2007 02:16 AM

I'd like to do this in 2008 as well. Sounds like we'll have a big RS crew.

Convert 07-06-2007 10:34 AM

I would also like to go in 2008 better start talking to the:Princess:

ginericLC 07-06-2007 11:18 AM

Families are OK. The trail from Loon to the Springs is long and this year it was dusty. It was abnormally dry this year though. I was told that the trail was actually in pretty rough condition by some of the old timers. Cadillac Hill was the most challenging section of the trail for me. It is really tight in a few spots and it is all up hill. Don't underestimate that section of the trail. It is heavily eroded and it is a steep climb. When you go through Big Sluice you have big rocks and some tight spots but you have gravity working with you. I took Gabe and he was only 4. The swimming at the Springs and Buck Island was great. He really enjoyed that. From Loon to Buck Island is pretty straightforward and the pace is OK. From Buck Island to the Springs had a lot more waiting. However, this isn't a very long hike. Gabe got out when we were waiting and went swimming at Buck along the way, I think he did this 3 times. I would say our run was a little longer than typical as it was wagons (not that there was anything wrong with the vehicles themselves) but we had some inexperienced drivers and we were loaded which makes a huge difference. We also had the FJ Cruisers with us. And there were a few 40s with us with some problems too. We also had the Germans in their turbo diesel 4 Runner with a full tent on top. Bob Bancroft's 60 didn't have a rear locker the whole trail so that slowed him down a little. So we had a loaded slow moving crew. This is much different than Moab or other day trails because you are wheeling fully loaded. I had over 100 extra pounds in just water. I should have weighed my rig. It was sagging in the butt pretty good. We didn't do Marauder Bar or the dinner as I had to get Henry C. to his flight out early Sunday morning so we left Sat. afternoon. I would have gone to Marauder Bar and even taken Gabe, but we had done a hike that day to some waterfalls and Gabe passed out by 8pm. Being sort of a single parent I couldn't really leave him and I didn't want to pack a 45lb kid sleeping both ways. The only thing that was a little freaky for Gabe was Mudrak's Bear Bombs. He lights these huge bombs off to scare away bears. They are loud. Once we got used to that everything was A-OK. We actually slept through a lot of them. I was pretty tired most of the trip. The driving all day and getting like 2 hours of sleep before starting out on the trail didn't really set me up for having extensive energy. Ginger did not go on the trail. She flew into Reno the day after. There were not very many women in camp, but there were plenty of dads with kids. Other than the Germans who were on their honeymoon there wasn't another woman in our group. But if you plan to go as a club you can probably fix the male/female ratio a little.

About the wagons. This is much different than any other trail I've done. I would not suggest taking a really nice wagon on the trail. Heck, I wouldn't recommend taking a really nice 40 on this trail either unless it was equipped well. I made it through basically unscathed. I did a lot of prep work and I got lucky. Most of the other wagons were not so lucky. Damage is likely and probable. Personally, I wouldn't go with less than a 35" tire for any rig. The FJs could have definitely had an easier go at it with larger tires. Robbie as you all know has some phenomenal skills as a driver, spotter, and wrench. I really think the FJs would still be up there if he hadn't been along. He really is that good! But you all knew that already.

I would say Camp is actually less rowdy than Slickrock. You can really spread out so you can find your own space if that is what you want. People generally camp in pods. We camped at the Slabs. The only weird thing is in the middle of the night some folks get the notion that trying these slabs in the middle of the night would be a good thing. I camped on the outer edge of the slabs which wasn't close to where the action was. I watched the first few trucks try it about 11pm and then went to bed and never heard anything else.

I would definitely take my family to this event again. Lots of good people. A scenic trail. And socially it is a different sort of LC experience. I enjoyed our hike to the waterfall above the springs immensely. What is different is that after you get to the Springs you kick back and relax even during the daylight whereas at other events everything is at night. Everyone was so friendly. I mean this guy camped next to us ran out to Tahoe City and stopped and asked if we needed anything. He had a big list. And seeing a 40 loaded with ice in the rear up to the headrests. That was a sight.

The other funny thing that sort of sticks out now is that there were some girls running around selling popscicles right on the trail. Gabe enjoyed that. We aren't fortunate enough to have the ARB fridge/freezer yet. Maybe some day?

When Dave told me he was trying to rally a group to go. I immediately thought to myself. I'll post up and give the event a plug. A lot of you know me and have wheeled with me in Moab and know my perspective would be different than Daves. I think it is a winner of an event no matter what you drive. Just go prepared. It was a lot of fun and if money were no object I'd go every year.

Hulk 07-06-2007 11:40 AM

Thanks, Eric. Since so few of us have been on this trail, having some insight is great. Dave has said that the trail is non-stop challenges.

nakman 07-06-2007 11:58 AM

Eric, thanks so much for taking the time to share all of that.. and I definitely hope :robbie: is out there with us next year as well, either as part of the FJ Trail Team, or just a member of our club.. I for one always do a little better when he's around.

Anyone know the dates for this? I want to get this on the calendar soon.. see you at the Rally Eric. :cheers:

Hulk 07-06-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nakman (Post 39589)
Anyone know the dates for this? I want to get this on the calendar soon..

I just sent Tony Twiddy a message to see if the dates are set yet.

Rezarf 07-06-2007 01:51 PM

Stacy and I were talking about doing Rubithon sometime in the next few years, if everyone is heading out next year, we would seriously plan for it too...

Can you say "Lockers!" :D

nakman 07-06-2007 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezarf (Post 39599)

Can you say "Lockers!" :D

Can you say, "tow rig?!" :lmao:

Shark Bait 07-06-2007 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nakman (Post 39604)
Can you say, "tow rig?!" :lmao:

We should look in to a car hauler. It might be a little more expensive, but nicer in the long run. Some of us could conceivably fly out and pick up the trucks, wheel, drop the trucks off and fly home. :eek: :grinpimp:

Three Wheel Ben 07-06-2007 03:45 PM

I thought only Jeeps and Buggys got towed to the trails:lmao:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shark Bait (Post 39606)
We should look in to a car hauler. It might be a little more expensive, but nicer in the long run. Some of us could conceivably fly out and pick up the trucks, wheel, drop the trucks off and fly home. :eek: :grinpimp:


Man Jerk 07-06-2007 04:29 PM

My other club (MNToyx4's) used to contract a car hauler to haul rigs to the BHCC. I can't remember what the cost was but it wasn't too bad.

I recently found out that my boss has a brother who lives near the Rubicon and he owns a cruiser. We have had some discussions about going out there for some wheeling. We just bought a company truck so the reality of towing my rig out there isn't too far outside of the realm of possibility.

Uncle Ben 07-06-2007 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEXUSBEN (Post 39611)
I thought only Jeeps and Buggys got towed to the trails:lmao:

Dillys, Browns, Nichols, Fisher and I had 'em hauled last time we went. Pricey but worth it. One thing about transport is you usually have to drop them off at the company a week ahead of time and pick up a few day's after you return. I plan on taking Wildrice.

ginericLC 07-07-2007 09:21 AM

Dave is 100% correct that it is nonstop obstacles. The only changes in the trail are the severity of the obstacles. It is a fun trail. I hope those of you who make it out there next year enjoy yourselves.

Dave told me about a trip that he did where they drove Red Fox out there and then did a coastal tour (much like ours) afterwards. He said it was one of the best trips of his life. I'm a wimp. I can't imagine doing that in a soft top. I have to say this trip was one of the best trips of my life too.

If you guys ship your rigs I'd just look in your friendly TLCA white pages and find somebody in Reno or Sacramento who would help you out on the receiving and sending. It is probably about 2-2.5 hours to the trailhead from Sacramento. But it would be about the same in any rig as it is a lot of twisty and some two lane. Reno is probably the same or a little more. I'd check shipping rates and airfare and go with whichever was cheapest. The Reno airport is awesome if you are in a hurry. It is a smaller airport and things move very fast. Reno is also a major shipping hub as there are no warehouse taxes, that might help. Porsche NA is located there.

Hulk 07-07-2007 04:01 PM

From Tony Twiddy:

My RS friends...

It would mean the world to me and your fellow CA TLCA members if you could join us on June 18 - 22, 2008 for the 20th annual Rubithon! This is going to be our Hall of Fame run and we hope to see many familiar faces.

Plus you folks need to bring Dave Brown, Matt Farr and Kevin Ehrlick out here for me. :)

Thanks and start planning now!

Tony Twiddy

bh4rnnr 07-07-2007 04:07 PM

Man i'd love to go, but don't know if i'll be able to swing it as my friend Greg is getting married in Sept, Spain in the Spring time along with Cruise Moab and the start of the Expedition in October. Plus having to work in the middle of all that... If I can swing it, I will be there with the camera in hand.

Shark Bait 07-07-2007 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulk (Post 39712)
From Tony Twiddy:

Plus you folks need to bring Dave Brown, Matt Farr and Kevin Ehrlick out here for me. :)

You guys in trouble? :lmao:

Hulk 07-07-2007 05:37 PM

Yes. Bail me out?

Rezarf 07-08-2007 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nakman (Post 39604)
Can you say, "tow rig?!" :lmao:

Nak-

You could just throw a strap on for me and haul me behind your pretty cruiser! I can push you down hill on the pass... that is about it. ;)

Drew

Rezarf 07-08-2007 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shark Bait (Post 39606)
We should look in to a car hauler. It might be a little more expensive, but nicer in the long run. Some of us could conceivably fly out and pick up the trucks, wheel, drop the trucks off and fly home. :eek: :grinpimp:

That would be my prefered method of travel.

Hulk 07-08-2007 10:29 PM

Car hauler would be a good idea. I'd rather take my 40, but I'm unenthusiastic about driving it to Cali.

Uncle Ben 07-09-2007 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulk (Post 39813)
Car hauler would be a good idea. I'd rather take my 40, but I'm unenthusiastic about driving it to Cali.


I will be taking my 40 and yes it will be riding the trailer.

Lori and I were talking about it and she might stay in Tahoe for the first night (possibly two). I would come out and get her after setting up camp in the Springs.

powderpig 07-09-2007 11:40 AM

Well guys the trail is a kick in pants and I hope Robin and I will make it next year. Me either particiapting with the Trail teams or just on our own. I did make this trip several years agao with the Nor Cal guys. i took Ty when he was 2.5 years old. Maybe some will remember the articale in Toyota trails a few years ago.
As Eric states if the family members get tired of hanging, they can walk the trail some. The total length I clocked this year for the real hard stuff (damn to over look area on Cadallic hill) was approx 8 mile. This year was drier than last by alot. Making it more dusty. But the views are incrediable and the wheeling real fun. If you take your time and get good spotting, even nice rigs can come out not hurt. The FJ I was driving got a little quarter size dent in the door and scrapped a few of the sticker off.
But it was a pleasure to wheel with the wagons as they did have a different pace on the trail. Well built 40's and mini's and wagons (meaning big tires or little to no body to hit). Just motored right through the trail. Of course the locals make it look real easy(just too much fun for them).
Last year I wheeled my 80 with way more weight than I liked, but still it was a good lesson. The only damage I recieved last year was a dented fuel tank and a slightly dented tranny cross member. My truck last year weighted well over 7200 lbs(normal full loaded is close to 6500 lbs) with all the extra water, food, refershment's and spare parts I carried for the Trail Teams. I had on board over 100 gallons of food and fuel when I started the trip, besdies the food and parts. But the nice thing about a 80 is it's ability to carry more than you think.
Bottom line for me is that it is a wonderful trip and I will make every effort to have the wife drive the 80 out, if I am Trail teams. I do nto know what next year brings for work, so I can not comment on it. If Robin goes it will be with the kids(mccall and ty). Eric could not describe the trip any better. It is a blast.
later Robbie

Uncle Ben 09-06-2007 10:12 AM

Thanks Wes! I had Wes move this here in event planning so we can get some momentum. Who has written it on the calendar so far and is going to try to make it and what do you plan on driving?

I am and I'll prolly haul out the 40 but then again if enough wagons are going I would do the 80.

Hulk 09-06-2007 10:46 AM

It's in my calendar. Hopefully I'll be able to go.

MDH33 09-07-2007 05:18 PM

I'm interested, but not sure about driving my 40 there and back. Not because I think it wouldn't be fun, or that my rig isn't capable, but because of the extra time needed. If a group is going to go in on a car hauler for 40's, I'll seriously consider it. :thumb:

Romer 09-17-2007 10:03 PM

Tell me why this thread shouldn't make me nervous

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=177928

AxleIke 09-18-2007 12:44 AM

Whhhoooaaaa.

Dang. I thought this looked pretty fun, and was seriously considering the trip. I'm hoping this is a case of "its the mag's truck, and we need to get some sweet shots for the upcoming issue" and not, "I drove this thing as careful as possible, but to no avail."

Shark Bait 09-18-2007 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romer (Post 46442)
Tell me why this thread shouldn't make me nervous

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=177928

(voice of Elmer Fudd) Be afwaid, be vewy vewy afwaid. :p::eek::D

Hulk 09-18-2007 09:21 AM

Yikes. Sounds like it is a trail more fit for a 40 than an 80.

treerootCO 09-18-2007 09:23 AM

I really wanted to make this trip...

Rezarf 09-18-2007 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARTIN (Post 45646)
If a group is going to go in on a car hauler for 40's, I'll seriously consider it. :thumb:

If someone can even get me started I can begin looking into 40 haulers on 18 wheelers. I do believe they need your truck well in advance, and then it sits somewhere out in Cali until we get there right?

I'd be happy to look into this, should I look specifically at car haulers or maybe just a trucking company?

Drew

Uncle Ben 09-18-2007 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rezarf (Post 46472)
If someone can even get me started I can begin looking into 40 haulers on 18 wheelers. I do believe they need your truck well in advance, and then it sits somewhere out in Cali until we get there right?

I'd be happy to look into this, should I look specifically at car haulers or maybe just a trucking company?

Drew

When we did it a few years ago the transporter needed the truck a week early. If you plan it right the truck will get there about the same time you do. Often the return ride is the same day or close to it that you leave. The transports do not travel as fast as you do so you will get your truck a day or two later. I-80 is a major truck route so there are many places to get it delivered. We had ours delivered to Carson City Nevada as Jerry Nichols son in law has a shop there.

There is enough monster diesel 1 tons in the club all that is needed is a transporter trailer or two. If you set that up it will be a whole lot cheaper, although there is some DOT hoops to jump through. I will check and see if the same shop in Carson City might be available for us. It has a large high chain link fenced in yard so our trucks would be safe.

Uncle Ben 09-18-2007 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulk (Post 46464)
Yikes. Sounds like it is a trail more fit for a 40 than an 80.

If you can drive you can do it! I am on the fence about driving my 80 or hauling out the 40. I've never wheeled a wagon on the Con and not having to hassle with hauling the 40 is appealing. Like any trail there is an easy way through a lot of the stuff and several other options of greater difficulty. Don't let forum wheelers scare you! If you can wheel your truck on trails like Holy Cross and Blanca then you can wheel your truck on the Con!


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