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FJBen 04-19-2006 08:14 AM

another tire thread...ugh
 
Apparently Toyo M/T's are on perpetual backorder...AT LEAST June...possibly later... :mad: makes me bitter...

Here's my other options...what do you think...I drive prolly around ~5K a year with this rig.

Goodyear MT/R 315/75R16
Trxus M/T 315/75R16
IROK radial 36X13.50X16
Nitto Mud Grappler 35X12.50X16 (strength of these tires?)


I'm lifting this weekend and would like to have some tires within a week or so lol...
thoughts?

wesintl 04-19-2006 08:34 AM

with only 5k... irok or truxus

swampers rule :)

Uncle Ben 04-19-2006 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wesintl
with only 5k... irok or truxus

swampers rule :)

I agree totally! One question.....how much are you lifting it? Intercos are true size which means they will be 1.5"ish taller than 315's! The Trxus are also quiet and the Irocs are not but the Irocs do have better bite in the rocks.

Note: Trxus are 35x12.5x16 by the way, not 315/75R16

FJBen 04-19-2006 09:48 AM

I'm going to run 4" Slee front springs, and J rears for now...much akin to TYLERS setup.

I'm thinking the Iroks or the Trxxus...not sure which tho...I know the MT/R is a decent tire, justing looking at some other options.

bustanutley 04-19-2006 11:51 AM

Bias IROKs, they rock, like the name implies :yeahdude:

ginericLC 04-19-2006 11:12 PM

I wouldn't run bias Iroks on an 80. I ran them on my 40 and on the highway you could watch the rubber disappear. A local guy had them on his Blazer. He only got 13,000 miles out of them daily driving. I don't think they will fit on a stock 80 wheel with the lift you describe. I tried putting them on my 80 once. I run Js with a 1" spacer in the front. They completely filled the wheel well. No room for even a speedbump. They are fairly wide.

Joe Sommerville runs the 35" TRXus on his 80 and loves them. He's had them for quite awhile.

Another tire that is sort of neat is the Mickey Thompson MTZ Radial. It is new. My brother just bought some for his LX in a 315. I'm not sure how true to size they are. They were like $840 with shipping from National Wheel and Tire.

Did you try 4wheelparts for Toyos? Everyone else was out but they had them when I ordered mine about 2 months ago.

nakman 04-20-2006 08:12 AM

I was looking at those Micky Thompson's last night, off a link on this same post on mud. They do look pretty good.. I forgot to see how heavy they were though, anyone know? The Toyos are about 90 pounds per tire right? Heavier than TRXus, IIRC... unless you're on 4.88's I think adding more tire weight would be an issue, oh yeah and with stopping too. :eek:

FJBen 04-20-2006 08:33 AM

I'll try 4whparts...as much as i hate to lol...see if they have them

Apparently TYLER on the board is running the radial IROK's on this setup, 4" coils up front, non-j's on the rear and clears them decently.

I noticed the toyo's were definitely heavier but that sounds like a good thing to me. I'll be gearing next year....not to mention my last rig was definitely on the slow side...I don't think this could compare....28:1 crawl ratio??? :D

Maybe I'll just drive around in circles lifted with 285's to look goofy til some tires come in ! :thumb:

Nay 04-20-2006 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FJBen
I'll try 4whparts...as much as i hate to lol...see if they have them

Apparently TYLER on the board is running the radial IROK's on this setup, 4" coils up front, non-j's on the rear and clears them decently.

I noticed the toyo's were definitely heavier but that sounds like a good thing to me. I'll be gearing next year....not to mention my last rig was definitely on the slow side...I don't think this could compare....28:1 crawl ratio??? :D

Maybe I'll just drive around in circles lifted with 285's to look goofy til some tires come in ! :thumb:

Tyler does have the 36" IROKs on his rig...he is actually just running OME heavy in the rear, I believe, and he has 1.25" wheel spacers, which I think you'll need. I think they took off 3" of up travel (lowered bumpstops) to keep the tires from rubbing, so he probably doesn't have more than 3" up...which is on the low side (I think 4" - 4.5" is a min for a crawler). Just remember that Tyler doesn't wheel :D

I think that a 36x13.5 is going to get you thinking about some stuff that is out of the box on an 80. You'd end up wanting to increase down travel due to the up travel restrictions, and then you are dealing with dropping coils off the tower, so they'd need to at least be restrained on the axle end, and maybe you start thinking a lower base spring rate on a longer spring and then you are into custom springs and they always screw up custom springs...

I haven't tested this personally, but it is my belief that the reason Slee uses the OME L shock on both his 4" and 6" kit is because with a higher spring rate coil you have a shorter coil at static height...and therefore it comes off the tower more quickly and you can't easily compensate for the lost up travel with extra down. So even with more lift, we only see additional up travel. The 80 just has relatively short coils to support that much weight, and that complicates suspension design substantially. In other words, these kits are road use biased.

I am hoping to see a more advanced coil solution on the market in the next few weeks to allow us to really push the tire sizes while properly balancing up and down travel...but on a straight Slee 4" with OME L's I think you'll be better off with a 35x12.5...

Nay

FJBen 04-21-2006 08:41 AM

:thumb: good post...

I agree that the 36's are prolly gonna be overpowering the 4" suspension setup. 90% sure I'm goin' Trxxus. I know that the front ends are really the "stumbling" block so to say with the flex in the 80's.

I've been reading the thread in mud til I can't see straight about improving the flex in 80's...and my main question is....How badly do they need it???

Seems you have a few options:

A: 3 Link the front, prolly most expensive but by far solves all flex issues...

B: Pulling a bolt/hitch pin on one of the front control arm mounts...helps flex a little more, but at the expense of what? any deterioation of driveability? wear?

C. Flipping the arms to the top....not sure what this gains exactly, more clearance, possibly less bind if you build different brackets that allow more side/side/twist of the bushings....or add johhny joints/similar?

I guess my real question is, at this point...how may of you feel limited on the trails you are doing by your front flex?


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