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Romer 03-14-2010 06:52 PM

New quarterback for the Broncos

You think Josh can mentor him like he did Kassel?

corsair23 03-14-2010 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Romer (Post 142361)

You think Josh can mentor him like he did Kassel?

I would have preferred to keep Hillis and given them Marshall :)

nakman 03-14-2010 09:44 PM

Interesting. I liked Hillis too as RB.. and Kyle Orton was total money last season. hopefully Quinn can learn the system and be able to step in when Orton either gets injured or starts to suck. Doubtful he'll see much PT in this season though, IMO.

simps80 03-15-2010 10:00 AM

I'd rather have peyton hillis toatin' the rock than no-vision moreno

who cares
another non-factor backup to a truly middle-of-the-pack starter like orton.

my 8 year old daughter could have completed 60% of her passes throwing 6 yard slants to brandon marshall and the rest of those receivers.

we went from bad defense and good offense to ok defense and bad offense with no prospects to get better. he single handedly dismantled a core group of young offensive players that had a ton of potential. Now with Nolan gone on the defensive side because McDaniels is a TOTAL EGO MANIAC, our defense will return to its former form, and we'll have a bad offense with no talent and a bad defense.

This is the kind of decision (putting your first-rate franchise in the hands of an inexperienced kid like Josh McDaniels) that takes your team from a short-term lull to long-term mediocrity. Hello-buffalo-bills.

on the other hand I suppose quinn is a decent pickup even if for no other reason, chris simms' can't play football, as in can't play football-at-all.

But even though Hillis was a low-rounder, he was a much better back than denver's own 1st round bust, moreno. I actually would have rather seen CantRun go instead of Hillis.

RockRunner 03-15-2010 10:29 AM

I see Chris Simms listed as a free agent pretty soon after camp starts. I think Quinn can be a good quarterback as long as he can move around the pocket. The Broncos O line will have to protect him to give him time. With time he can throw the ball anywhere.

We'll have to wait and see who starts the season off this year, can you say quarterback controversy???

wesintl 03-15-2010 10:42 AM

I thought they would pick up anderson not trade for quinn :confused:

simps80 03-15-2010 10:43 AM

Holmgren thought Jake Delhomme gave them a better shot than quinn

I agree

that means Holmgren, a man who has been around a lot longer and knows a lot more about football than mcdaniels does, thought quinn was worth trading for some low rounders.

So 1 of 2 possiblities exist:
holmgren thinks Hillis is far better of a football player than mcdaniels does
holmgren thinks quinn's a bust. (probably the most likely since most of the NFL considers this to be true).

either way, if he chose carolina's old-castoff delhomme (who I thought we should go after, he's still got some time to play) over quinn, it probably doesn't say a whole lot for his opinion of quinn.

quinn is destined for underwear commercials.

The only way this makes sense is if one considers Hillis to be a backup fullback (which he is under McDaniels) and not the dynamic, hard running, hard hitting running back we all know him to be prior to McDumbass's arrival.

I bet quinn, even though he's considered a 1st round bust, is AT LEAST a better backup than chris simms, he might even beat out Orton, but I think Hillis was one of the best football players the Broncos had.

McDaniels didn't and doesn't see it that way, he obviously had no use for Hillis, for some reason, probalby because he wasn't one of "his guys".

I hope i'm really wrong, and so is Holmgren, and Mangini, and McDaniels is right in thinking that Quinn brings more to the table than Hillis, I just don't think so.

I would've traded McDaniels for Quinn

wesintl 03-15-2010 10:54 AM

at some point you need a qb for the future. delhomme doesn't give you that. Imho it's better to trade than take a 1st rd qb that you have to pay a ton of $ to.

they really gave up very little to get quinn. Most football analysts have said if quinn is still a bust the donks haven't really lost anything.

simps80 03-15-2010 11:01 AM

if you consider hillis to be a 7th round draft pick (which he was)
and don't take into consideration the quality back he actually was,
then 'most analysts' are right,
we didn't give up anything for quinn
and therefore stand to lose very little when quinn is a bust.

but the fact is, Hillis was a much better back than a 7th round pick, he was a find, and was a solid player, he could play full back and tail back and played with a lot of grit.

for some unexplained reason, nobody who covers the broncos even can figure out why McDaniels hated Hillis.

If you ignore what type of player he was and just look at it on the surface, he didn't play much last year, so we aren't losing much. And that's what 'most analysts' are doing.

imo, most analysts are wrong in this case and Hillis was simply a much better player than either his draft position, or his playing time last year, indicated.

LARGEONE 03-15-2010 12:12 PM

The truest statement above is that McDaniels is an egomaniac!!!

He will not last long w/ Denver and I really don't think other teams will take a chance on him either after watching him dismantle so much is such a short period of time.

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