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Telly 11-05-2012 10:01 AM

Hell Creek Springs = STIFF ride
The PO installed 2.5" Hell Creek lift springs on my 78 FJ40. I'm running 33x10.5 BFG TA's. The ride quality is horrible...especially in the front. I don't have big expectations with a leaf spring set-up but it feels like there is no softness at all in front end. The front shackles only have a slight angle to the front, which could be contributing to some of it. Do you think different shocks (Bilstiens) would help? Maybe going with Downeys springs or other brand? I'm only considering the front springs for now. Thanks. Doug

nakman 11-05-2012 10:15 AM

I doubt you'll see much difference with different shocks. To test, just remove the front shocks altogether.. "no dampening" would be the softest possible setup, then adding back shocks would only stiffen it.

I remember my brother's 40 had the Hell For Stout springs, and yeah same deal... that's when we realized that HFS stands for Holy F$#ki*@ S%i! these springs are stiff... :lmao:

The OME Dakar springs will be much softer, if you want to upgrade. Or a set of stock springs with an add-a-leaf, for a more budget 2-3" lift that isn't as stiff.

Telly 11-05-2012 12:57 PM

I like your HFS description...very true. There is a speed bump in my neighborhood that I have to go over at 2 mph or it feels like the engine will launch out of the hood. I have not wheeled this rig yet but I'm sure I'll need to wear a mouth guard my first trip out.

nakman 11-05-2012 02:02 PM

Are the springs new? If so then wheeling it will actually help a bit- look for multiple cross-up situations where you can really flex the things, try to get suspended on two wheels as much as possible.

But I'd probably pull one of the springs out, most likely the 2nd or 3rd shortest one?- it will lower it a tad, but you should still be able to run those tires. Or pick up a used stock set.

subzali 11-05-2012 02:31 PM

You can use jackstands on opposite corners in the garage to help the suspension settle a little bit...let it sit for a couple weeks then swap corners.

Air Randy 11-05-2012 02:35 PM

I had that same setup on my FJ40.........for about 2 weeks. I pulled them off and went with new stock springs configured for spring over. This gave me the lift I needed but gave an excellent ride quality.

nattybumppo 11-05-2012 11:52 PM

Aren't the Hell Creek springs different from the HFS sold by CCOT? I thought the Hell Creek stuff was made by that guy in Missouri...not that it matters...too stiff is too stiff!

Rzeppa 11-06-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by nakman (Post 221439)
Or a set of stock springs with an add-a-leaf, for a more budget 2-3" lift that isn't as stiff.

That's what I run on my '71 FJ40 and they are soft and flexy (you have to remove the bottom two leaves from the stock spring pack). I like them a lot!

I have never, ever ridden in a 40 with comfortable 4" springs. All the ones I have first hand experience with suck eggs. They bust your kidneys and jar your back teeth out.

OME's aren't bad for 2.5", but their 40 series packs are a couple inches too short IMHO.

FWIW, My FJ45 has I-beams for rear spring packs - 9 total leaves! The usual 6 you get with an FJ40, plus 3 more big, thick overload leaves. You can feel every pebble and crack in the pavement. But - when you put a ton or a ton and a half of load in the back it smooths out considerably!

nuclearlemon 11-06-2012 06:39 PM

i had the fourth set of skyjacker 4" springs that was manufactured (about 21 years ago) and i loved them. they were still holding strong whatever year cruise moab was in the campground just outside of moab, because the guy who currently has those exact springs/shackles from my dearly departed nuclearlemon was there with them;)

nakman 11-08-2012 09:45 AM

Telly looks like Trevor has some stock springs for sale http://www.risingsun4x4club.org/foru...ad.php?t=18744 Pick those up, take them apart & clean/lube them up real well, add an add-a-leaf to the pack, then swap them over when you have a Sunday afternoon. If you like the results, you could likely sell the Hell Creeks for close to your investment of the stockers+AAL. just a thought...

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