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daveIT 04-22-2013 10:05 AM

Antenna / Choke Questions
 
Just ordered this 2m Slim Jim (http://www.jpole-antenna.com/shop/2-...m-jim-antenna/) along with 75ft of LMR400 to mount on the roof.

The instructions (http://www.jpole-antenna.com/wordpre...im-Antenna.pdf) show a choke that just looks like coax rolled up. Would anyone explain this to me? Also, how many coils should it be? Does that do the same thing a balun does?

Should I just get a kit like this: (http://palomar-engineers.com/1-1-balun-kits) to prevent losing distance on my coax? I'm thinking the 1/2" LMR400 is pretty stiff, so coiling it up might be a pain in the ass...

Seldom Seen 04-22-2013 11:22 AM

http://www.hamuniverse.com/balun.html

At work and on my iPhone. I'll type out a further explanation when I'm home, unless Dave chimes in :)

DaveInDenver 04-22-2013 12:58 PM

LMR400 isn't quite 1/2", it's 0.405" OD. That's standard for RG-8 and similar types. Knowing the true diameter is important if you order ferrite beads.

LMR400 has a solid center conductor, so it's very stiff. You can wind it into an ugly balun like Brian mentions but not in a tight circumference and so it does not lend itself to VHF and UHF baluns. Plus it's got a foam dielectric, which will melt if the conductors heat up. You hear of times when a solid center conductor will cut it's way through the dielectric and short out and winding the coax into a coil can make this chance higher. Running low power it's less likely, but happens a lot with 1kW stations. OTOH, the whole point of a choke is convert currents on the shields into heat, so it might be worth thinking about.

The diameter of the coil is important to the range of frequencies over which the ugly balun works. For VHF the size of the coil will have to be small, around 1.5". It wouldn't take many turns, probably 4 or 5, to present a very significant impedance to the currents on the shield. They are likely assuming you are using RG-58, which can be wound that tight.

An ugly balun winds the coax in an organized, tight coil (it's called solenoid winding, each turn lays next to the last one on the form, just like the proper way to wind a winch cable) and works better because the circulating current in the coil is traveling down the shield length through fields generated by currents in other winds. You want the fields to fight each other, creating the RF impedance. The size of the field depends on the frequency, so a 6" coil will not create a strong enough local field within the coil to work as a choke and just ends up becoming a bunch of extra coax length.

You could wind a choke from RG-58 and just insert it at the feedpoint. It would be cheap and easy, particularly if you have scrap RG-58 laying around.

The alternative is to slip a bunch of beads over the coax like the Palomar kits you link. It would be a good choke. If you already have the coax and connectors, ferrite beads in mix 31 or 43 are not expensive.

http://www.amidoncorp.com/round-cable-beads/

One thing puzzles me is why you need a balun at all for a J-pole. It should not be necessary. Curious. Can't hurt, though.

daveIT 04-22-2013 02:10 PM

I wasn't sure if it's needed or not. The diagram the instructions I linked above showed one, so I assumed I did. I noticed the N9TAX Slim Jim has a ferrite bead on it too, which made me think it was required.

I'll try it without first I think. Getting something up on the roof should really improve everything either way!

DaveInDenver 04-22-2013 02:34 PM

It does depend and installing a choke will never be bad.


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