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Hulk 07-16-2014 04:47 PM

The Feds Just Seized 40 Land Rovers Imported To The U.S.
The Feds Just Seized 40 Land Rovers Imported To The U.S.

Some 40 Land Rover owners across the U.S. woke up Tuesday morning to police and federal investigators knocking on their doors and demanding they hand over their trucks. Officials say it's part of an ongoing criminal investigation into the illegal importation of Land Rovers into this country, Jalopnik has learned.

But that will likely come as little consolation to the 40 owners of the Land Rover 90s, 110s and Defenders, many of whom contest what federal authorities claim about the legality of their cars.

News of the seizures first appeared on the Land Rover Defender forum Defender Source around 8 a.m. Tuesday, when one user posted to say that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security came to his home at 6:45 a.m. to seize his truck. That user was quickly joined by several others, who said their Land Rovers were confiscated by investigators who came to their homes with federal warrants.

One of them was Danny Harrington, who lives in Albany, New York. Last year he bought a 1983 Land Rover 110 through a friend in New York. He told Jalopnik that police drove around his residence looking for his truck, and then went to his parents' house 10 miles away to find it a house where it wasn't even registered.

"They told me it was illegally imported, and the guy who imported it last year falsified the paperwork on the truck," Harrington said. The investigators came to the house with a list of VIN numbers and said his was on it, and that they were taking it with them.

Curiously, Harrington said police insisted his Land Rover was a year 2000 model. He says that his VIN number definitely goes back to a 1979 to 1984 truck, and not a newer one.

"It's clearly a 1983," he said of his very obviously older project vehicle. "It's not a show truck. It's a mess. It's a work truck."

Vincent Picard, a spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said authorities believe the cars were unlawfully brought into the U.S.

"ICE Homeland Security Investigations special agents served court-ordered seizure warrants on approximately 40 Land Rovers in various locations around the country," he said in an email. "The seizures are being made pursuant to an ongoing criminal investigation involving the unlawful importation of the vehicles from Great Britain. The Land Rovers, which do not meet federal safety or emission standards, cannot be lawfully operated in the United States."

That was news to Harrington, who says he bought the car legally in New York last year and has a title to prove it. "I don't even know who imported it," he said.

Forum member Hitch weighed in as well:

I had 2 homeland security agents, state police, and local sheriff in my drive way when I went outside to go to work today. My, what I believe to be an 1986 110 was arrested and seized about 8:30 this morning.

When I purchased my vehicle I went to NC from Florida to look at and drive it. I compared the VIN on the bill of sale to the frame VIN and the VIN plate near the master cylinder. I in no way thought I was gambling in purchasing a vehicle that was licensed in NC. and had been in the states for a year prior to me purchasing it. The state police detective showed me where the engine block VIN had been filed and re-stamped.

On the dept of treasury process receipt it lists Land Rover Vehicles and the defendant. There are 61 VINS listed on the warrant. I was told I have 35 days to file a claim and was not given a form or anything to file. I spoke to the attorney listed on the complaint and he told me the case is still and open investigation and could not talk to me about it for another 24-48 hours.
So it's possible more than just these 40 Land Rovers are being targeted.

Picard directed further questions to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of North Carolina, but an official there said the case was under seal and that no one could discuss it.

So it's not clear exactly why the Land Rovers have been taken, but last year some 20 Defenders were seized by Homeland Security and Customs from a chiropractor's house in suburban North Carolina, Car and Driver reported at the time.

Meanwhile, nobody at either NHTSA or CBP could comment on the status of Aaron Richardet, the chiropractor. Several people in the Defender community have told us that "Doc Aaron" was running a business importing later-model Defenders; if that's true, he's likely facing trouble.

It would appear that these latest seizures are also related to that federal criminal case, which targeted Richardet. Members of the Land Rover forum seem to think the same thing.

With a federal criminal case, it's going to be tough if not impossible to get anyone to comment on the record about what happened here until indictments are handed down, if that even happens. My sense is that these Land Rovers were all seized as evidence in that case.

(A spokesman for Jaguar-Land Rover said the investigation appears to be related to cars sold by unaffiliated third parties.)

Picard, the ICE spokesman, added: "The vehicle owners, who are victims of this criminal scheme, will have an opportunity to seek restitution for their losses."

That's what Harrington probably plans on doing, although said he still doesn't understand why police had to come to his house to take his car or why his car's VIN number registers as a newer one to federal investigators.

"I just don't understand why this was so aggressive," he said.

Story here:

MTSN 07-16-2014 06:42 PM

I guess ICE has the whole immigration thing so well under control they can now focus on the more important national security threat that a few old Defender 110s pose to our sovereign nation :rolleyes:

J Kimmel 07-16-2014 06:46 PM

Our government keeps getting better.

Corbet 07-16-2014 06:50 PM

It would suck to be the owner of one of these.

cruiseroutfit 07-16-2014 09:50 PM

Raw deal. Rumors are rampant, everything from bogus VIN's on newer trucks to flat out stolen (UK) vehicles that made their way to the US. For those of you considering an import vehicle purchase, make sure your purchasing through a reputable importer that is licensed and bonded.

LARGEONE 07-16-2014 11:15 PM

What does this have to do with homeland security?

cruiseroutfit 07-16-2014 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by LARGEONE (Post 253304)
What does this have to do with homeland security?

US Customs and Border Protection is under Homeland Security

Get Outside 07-17-2014 01:39 AM

Yeah, it sucks big time! I watched a couple videos of them crushing some of these horribly unsafe trucks!
After working at a British shop for many years the only ones I would consider getting (and I actually like them a lot) are the 110 and the 90.
Bunch of crap, but I honestly find hard to see how people would not wonder about these very good looking trucks passing as 30 year old vehicles!
But hey, they've gotta keep us safe right?

LARGEONE 07-17-2014 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by cruiseroutfit (Post 253307)
US Customs and Border Protection is under Homeland Security

I was definitely being sarcastic...I still don't know what Customs is protecting me from in these cases.

I know these vehicles don't have the same emission or safety standards as cars originally imported, but they are way safer than a lot of the cars that the Meth Heads are driving around me every day, and no one is confiscating those vehicles.

I just think that our country has a few more Customs and Border issues that are a bit more important than Land Rovers being illegally imported...like stuff from China that will kill my son if he eats it!

Rust free cruisers 07-17-2014 10:14 PM

Suprised owners of (possibly)illegally imported Land Rovers aren't a threat. Most of them are Blue or white collar guys, not criminals. This has the look of someone in the department looking to make a name for themselves. A bunch of overzealous homeland security people who won't get shot at by terrorists, don't have to even get close to the border where the real threats are, and get to divert a little heat off of their department by making some kind of "bust" like this.

I know we are all fed up with this type of crap. Federales wasting taxpayer money and time to chase a very low priority issue. We gripe about the politicians who don't represent us, we gripe about how idiotic the fed. gubment is with wasting our money on wars we don't give a Sh*^ about and throwing money at foreign countries for "goodwill"..... I wonder when and what it will take for us all to make a change. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGE WE HAVE BEEN UNDER FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS EITHER. I mean a real change for the better. We have to start giving a damn via our votes, choices, and our voices or this country is doomed.

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