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Old 02-25-2010, 01:20 PM
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I asked the what she'd do if her Pathfinder accelerator got stuck. She said she'd try the brake pedal. So I asked if that didn't stop her, what would she do? She has only driven automatic transmissions and is 37 this year. She had no idea that she could put the lever at N to disconnect the speeding engine from the wheels. No effing clue.

We simply require too little of people when we test them for a driver license. We care more about if they know what the legal limit for alcohol is than how to safely operate a motor vehicle.
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And in a completely different direction...I wish my Hilux had a little unintended acceleration sometimes.
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So yes, I think responsibility falls with the user first and foremost. I'm not sure standing on the brakes of a Camry would not slow it down.
Would think it should. My throttle cable used to stick on my Z28 in high school. Only time it would ever do it was at wide open throttle. The brakes brought her back down every time. Sometimes from lets just say above posted limits. I never had to use neutral or the e-brake. But I knew I could. I'm all for safer cars but in the end the user has to be responsible too.

It seems more like a big witch hunt to me. Manufactures need to be held accountable, but so should a driver who has an opportunity to prevent an accident. Spontaneous combustion is a whole different issue. But there again a driver should remain calm and be able to avoid most accidents. I piloted my 40 to the side of the freeway while on fire. Its not that hard.
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The whole "I was standing on the brake and it just kept going" dog just doesn't hunt.

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try it...

floor it at 70MPH in a gear that has some meat (so you've got zero vacuum....) and pump the brakes a few times (realistic reaction from a non knowing individual).

It will get pretty hard to stop.
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try it...

floor it at 70MPH in a gear that has some meat (so you've got zero vacuum....) and pump the brakes a few times (realistic reaction from a non knowing individual).

It will get pretty hard to stop.
That's what they did in the test linked above:

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Our tests were conducted at highway speeds, as the incident with the Lexus ES350 happened on an expressway, and in the lowest possible gear, as that's the worst-case scenario.
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With the Camry’s throttle pinned while going 70 mph, the brakes easily overcame all 268 horsepower straining against them and stopped the car in 190 feet—that’s a foot shorter than the performance of a Ford Taurus without any gas-pedal problems and just 16 feet longer than with the Camry’s throttle closed. From 100 mph, the stopping-distance differential was 88 feet—noticeable to be sure, but the car still slowed enthusiastically enough to impart a feeling of confidence. We also tried one go-for-broke run at 120 mph, and, even then, the car quickly decelerated to about 10 mph before the brakes got excessively hot and the car refused to decelerate any further. So even in the most extreme case, it should be possible to get a car’s speed down to a point where a resulting accident should be a low-speed and relatively minor event.
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wasn't clear to me if they used up the vacuum by pumping the brakes..
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Most of the newer cars probably have electronic assist and not vacuum. On the LandCruisers this has been since 1998. Not sure on the sedans.
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