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View Poll Results: Are you a Yanker or a Safe Remover?
Yank it out. 17 53.13%
Safely Remove Hardware 17 53.13%
what's USB 2 6.25%
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:46 PM
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What? I hate complexity that is unnecessary. If I have to go through some convoluted sequence to do something that should be simple, I'll probably not do it right.

The nature of my work (I'm an embedded systems hardware engineer doing high reliability aerospace applications) is very complex and I do very intimately know why safe removal is supposedly needed and the roots of potential corruption.

But on the PCs, well, I just don't care.

I remember years ago when Windows first came out Microsoft had a huge problem with people corrupting their file system because they weren't doing a shut down before powering off. Before Windows you just flipped the power switch and DOS didn't care. Eventually Windows was modified so that if you didn't shutdown at least it could recover. Now the power button is a soft switch that sends the shut down command and deactivates the power via relay, the way it should be. Simple for the user, the machine adapts to the human.

So it is with thumb drives. You shove the sucker in, so the obvious reverse is to just yank the sucker out. I mean they figured out auto-mounting volumes like a million years ago, so what's odd with auto-unmounting them, too?
Um er OK.....

This is why I avoid PCs. (Piece o Crap) Love my MAC network. Not as complicated. So just yanker er out...... Stop with the details... YANK!!! When all else fales.... REBOOT!!
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Were still talking puters right?
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if nobody is watching I just yank it out

if someone's watching I am a safe remover
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I have actually LOST data yanking A USB drive out. I'm a safely-remover now.
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I yank it every chance I get.
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Um er OK.....

This is why I avoid PCs. (Piece o Crap) Love my MAC network. Not as complicated. So just yanker er out...... Stop with the details... YANK!!! When all else fales.... REBOOT!!
You have to "Safely Remove" on a Mac too. Here is a link discussing it:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=599418 or this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0152107AAywwdm

There are many more threads on it and it makes sense.

If you are WRITING to a media, the computer has to know when you are done writing. If you force the media to close the device incessantly, which is the only way this could make it safe to just yank it at any time, it would be a drain on the system. Now, most PCs, even fancy PCs like Macs, do close out a filehandle after a write but that isn't guaranteed. Even on a Mac.

It doesn't make it a POS, it is understanding how the system works.
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I'm a safe remover and yes, Macs have the same issue. There 'otta be a button near the USB port that you push to safely remove rather than mousing to a screen option.
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You have to "Safely Remove" on a Mac too. Here is a link discussing it:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=599418 or this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0152107AAywwdm

There are many more threads on it and it makes sense.

If you are WRITING to a media, the computer has to know when you are done writing. If you force the media to close the device incessantly, which is the only way this could make it safe to just yank it at any time, it would be a drain on the system. Now, most PCs, even fancy PCs like Macs, do close out a filehandle after a write but that isn't guaranteed. Even on a Mac.

It doesn't make it a POS, it is understanding how the system works.
Sorry. The PoC comment does not come just because of this issue. And yes i do agree all has to be removed safely but working on both systems for a long time the MACs are far less problematic and have way less issues. I have or had one PC at work here and rebuilt it more time than i can count (which is not much i know) and we finally got rid of it and got a MAC for that sales person. Sorry if i offended the PC users.
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