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Old 02-23-2011, 10:28 AM
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And what does that show. they all have dropped in sales. And who is it against, The domestic's, german car's or other small players?
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:33 AM
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Everybody. Whole automotive market share. Toyota is actually losing ground relative to everybody else. It's not vehicles sold, it's the percentage of vehicles that DID sell. Many makers' absolute numbers are down, but many are gaining marketshare at Toyota's expense.
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Curse you Martin.... I followed that all the way to the end.....

I have been spending way more time at the Denver dealerships then I should admit. They all have 200s but only a couple..

I just did an autotrader search for 2003-2006 and 2 vehicles found. The 100s are rare also. One seller told me they bought it to ship to their brother in Maylasia but ended up not working out. Maybe the 100s are being shipped out of the US?
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As so many stated. I would never buy a 200 series and actually use it for what it is... there are better and more fuel efficient ways to get to the mountains nowadays. With a price tag that high, there is no way I would drive it offroad on more than fire roads for at least a bunch of years.

Also, what we have to remember is that comparing a 100 to a 200 is not a good example of the jump/change in price or quality. Compare the 60 to the later FZJ80s and you see the difference. Luxury became a priority for toyota to ship to the states. The 80s in the rest of the world came in much more cost effective and less luxurious trim levels. Heck, you can get a 100 in aussie with cloth seats and part time 4wd if IIRC.

In addition, a change will have to happen since the economic downturn, with no end in sight, has curtailed the amount people are willing to spend on a new truck, lengthened the time between upgrades, and made people more fuel wary. All of these things kill the SUV, let alone the Land Crusier/LX as a case in point.

I want a modern 40...
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Also, what we have to remember is that comparing a 100 to a 200 is not a good example of the jump/change in price or quality. Compare the 60 to the later FZJ80s and you see the difference. Luxury became a priority for toyota to ship to the states. The 80s in the rest of the world came in much more cost effective and less luxurious trim levels. Heck, you can get a 100 in aussie with cloth seats and part time 4wd if IIRC.
Sure it is. You can still buy a gxl with cloth seats and pretty stripped down. ok not part time 4x4. I don't remember if that was with the 105 or not.

It's been a slow evolution and you skipped the fj62 and fj80. If you want to make those comparisions you could compare a 1964 fj40 with an F bench seats etc to a 1979 fj40 with buckets, stronger 2F, ac, powersteering etc. one is way more luxurious than the other.
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No matter what the changes, people were buying Land Cruisers until recently. Down where I live, you see 100 series trucks everywhere. But it seems like the 200 is invisible. I'd love to see model year sales numbers.
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my guess is it's due mostly to the economy the last 4 years. The 200 debut in 2008 which wasn't great economically. The sales #'s were similar to the 100 series, declining, and probably inline with the economy. the 2008 actually sold better than the last 2 years of 100's

the lc wiki has some sales #'s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser
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They are coming back to mtv. I heard they are going to watch you tube videos instead of music videos

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/165...d-return.jhtml
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They are coming back to mtv. I heard they are going to watch you tube videos instead of music videos

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/165...d-return.jhtml
Awesome, I rarely watch tv but that may just bring me back.. "are you threatening me?!"





and coincidentally, a similar discussion happening in the 80/100 thread posted earlier, you can pick it up here http://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-c...s-80-a-10.html
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