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Old 09-25-2011, 11:13 AM
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Default Blown Headgasket - 1993 FZJ80 at 225,000

I have a blown head gasket. 1993 FZJ80 at 225,000 miles. I decided to start this thread to:

1. Put the word out to the universe in case there is a good low mileage motor that wants to come to me
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I already have on retainer and he has already done the tear down which revealed failure at cylinder #1 (closest to radiator), some damage to the block at the #1 fire ring, and loss of crosshatching in #1 cylinder. No warping to head.

Options range from buying a car to a partial rebuild (where we do the top end, mill the block and cylinder hone and new rings). I will not be doing a full rebuild, diesel or V8. Cost, reliability and time are factors.

I will do other things while we are in there like oil pan seals, coolant hoses, PS hoses and rebuild pump, vac lines, rear main (if block is coming out), motor mounts.

Another option is to find a good 93-97 80 and swap my parts to it and then part mine out.

Let it begin!

Its at my house in NW Denver so if you want to see a 1FZ in bits, stop by.
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What about talking to Christo, since he's now putting those fancy V8s in 80s, there might be a motor for ya at the shop?
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:56 AM
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Did you try checking out http://www.car-part.com ? You might be able to find a decent engine fairly cheap. I see 1fz-fe's popup on there every now and then for around 1200 bucks.
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Default 93-97 80

Daniel,

If you think you might want to pick up another 80 for the engine, I might have interest in much of the remaining vehicle for swapping to my 92. Might have a source for wrecked vehicles, but I haven't pursued it to date.
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Man, bummer that it needs a motor man...

Think about how many miles the body has on it and what kind of shape it is all in.. If you want to keep it, maybe looks for a good used motor? maybe from a swap like loud suggested.
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It ran until that point. Why don't you just put a gasket in it and drive it? If the head is not warped and the gasket will seal then you should be OK with just putting a gasket in.

Yes, there might be damage to the cylinder but is it that bad that it would not run again? I would not do a half rebuilt. That is money wasted. Either refurbish the whole truck, or send the minimum to get it operational again. Keep your eyes open for a 97 that is in good shape. When you get the new truck, transfer what you can and sell the 93.

The labor to swap a used engine is normally not worth the effort. You end up doing so many "while I am in there" things that you overspend. It would only make sense if you can locate a 50k mile engine. Anything over a 100, you might as well do the headgasket while out of the truck. Then you open the motor and find some stuff you don't like. Old truck, not worth much expect to you, you will be upside down in the truck before you know it. Take the emotions out of it and look at the condition of the rest of the truck.
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Daniel, I bought my new engine from Bowser on ih8mud. He had several 1FZ engines for sale at the time. You might ping him to see what he has.
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Thanks for all the comments and please keep them coming - Part of my posting is the hope that a inexpensive low mileage motor will materialize. Maybe one that someone just wants hauled away (hey, gotta dream!)


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What about talking to Christo, since he's now putting those fancy V8s in 80s, there might be a motor for ya at the shop?
Definitely was part of the plan and below he pretty much said as I expected, but gave me a few ideas as well.

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Did you try checking out http://www.car-part.com ? You might be able to find a decent engine fairly cheap. I see 1fz-fe's popup on there every now and then for around 1200 bucks.
I will.

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Daniel,
If you think you might want to pick up another 80 for the engine, I might have interest in much of the remaining vehicle for swapping to my 92. Might have a source for wrecked vehicles, but I haven't pursued it to date.
Lets discuss. I may even get another 80 to build (using parts off mine) and then part mine out. A good idea about finding something we can go in on together.

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Man, bummer that it needs a motor man..
yep, trying to look at it as an opportunity.

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It ran until that point. Why don't you just put a gasket in it and drive it? If the head is not warped and the gasket will seal then you should be OK with just putting a gasket in.

Yes, there might be damage to the cylinder but is it that bad that it would not run again? I would not do a half rebuilt. That is money wasted. Either refurbish the whole truck, or send the minimum to get it operational again. Keep your eyes open for a 97 that is in good shape. When you get the new truck, transfer what you can and sell the 93.

The labor to swap a used engine is normally not worth the effort. You end up doing so many "while I am in there" things that you overspend. It would only make sense if you can locate a 50k mile engine. Anything over a 100, you might as well do the headgasket while out of the truck. Then you open the motor and find some stuff you don't like. Old truck, not worth much expect to you, you will be upside down in the truck before you know it. Take the emotions out of it and look at the condition of the rest of the truck.
Hi Christo. Yes, it ran just fine. When you found me this rig it had 110,000 on it. She took me to 225,000 with only minor work needed. It has been a great purchase. The rest is in good shape - a bit of tailgate rust, need to do some exhaust work and reattach the bumper ends. Cost is mostly my issue. I have no budget for this. I may choose to put a gasket and close it back up but apparently there is damage that will prevent sealing. Robbie and I are meeting Wednesday morning at my house to look at and discuss the options. He estimated I'd get 10-20,000 miles if I just went the gasket route - in part because #1 has lost its cross hatching. That's a couple years of driving for me and more if I get a daily driver car.

Overall, the idea of finding a newer rig has a lot of appeal. I may also find a car for my daily needs and then I'll have no time pressure to fix the 80.
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I will not be doing a full rebuild, diesel or V8. Cost, reliability and time are factors.

I will do other things while we are in there like oil pan seals, coolant hoses, PS hoses and rebuild pump, vac lines, rear main (if block is coming out), motor mounts.

Another option is to find a good 93-97 80 and swap my parts to it and then part mine out.

Let it begin!

Its at my house in NW Denver so if you want to see a 1FZ in bits, stop by.
What would the difference in costs be to rebuild the entire engine? I've never done it so I have no idea.. I'm just curious. I just did a HG and regret not pulling the motor and rebuilding the whole thing.
And I'd actually like to look at it, where in NW Denver are you? I'm in Lakewood (girlfriends house which has a big garage ) all the time and north Denver often (where I live, small garage)
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:45 AM
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What would the difference in costs be to rebuild the entire engine? I've never done it so I have no idea.. I'm just curious. I just did a HG and regret not pulling the motor and rebuilding the whole thing.
And I'd actually like to look at it, where in NW Denver are you? I'm in Lakewood (girlfriends house which has a big garage ) all the time and north Denver often (where I live, small garage)
Prices vary so I don't want to put a number out there, but could be like double. It depends on many variables. I should be around some this weekend. PM sent with number.
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