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Old 01-20-2012, 07:46 PM
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Excessive speed does seem the common denominator. Crawling up you *should* (but not always) be able to sense tippy and back it down.

The way the bounce I also wonder about tire pressure.

Or maybe they just wanted to be on youTube?
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Old 01-20-2012, 08:44 PM
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That last one could have had a Cruiser grill and looked exactly like a stock geared 40 doing the same thing!
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:39 AM
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Obviously it is hard to tell everything that is going on, as we are just seeing a video. However, in both cases the issue is lack of experience. They should never have been on the throttle that long. Moab has way too much traction to be able to hammer down and hold it in a stockish vehicle.

The issue is that the tires WILL hook up, and being on it that hard means that you are going to keep moving no matter what. A small bump is what was needed to get the trucks moving, but then you have to let off and slow it down. If not, you start bouncing like they did and then you have lost control of the vehicle.

Obviously this really only applies to novice drivers in full body trucks. If you drive a rock rod designed for hammer down driving, completely different rules apply.
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How can we prevent this kind of thing from happening at Cruise Moab?

Create an environment where is is OK to ask questions or for help.
Don't be afraid to tell people NO.
Discuss with group importance of squaring up to obstacles.
Discuss philosophy of Slow as possible Fast as necessary.
Talk about the one bounce rule.
Have less experienced drivers follow more experienced drivers.
Talk about what do if you feel you are about to roll.
Listen to your Gut.

As for the kid in the back on Potato salad hill, was it necessary to have passangers during the optional obstacle?

Thursday is an especially difficult day. It may include more spotting than normal. It will be many drivers 1st time in Moab (off-road?) be aware and sensitive to this.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:05 AM
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First off regarding the green jeep, they were not on the correct line for that obstacle for a swb vehicle. Whether she would have gone fast or slow the out come would have been the same if she continued. If she had crawled it (tough to do with stock gearing) she could have stopped and then backed down. The correct line in that spot is actually several feet farther over to the drivers side. By getting further over you miss that big hole that the passenger rear drops into which causes the roll.

So knowing the obstacle, the long and short wheelbase lines, etc helps a lot.
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First off regarding the green jeep, they were not on the correct line for that obstacle for a swb vehicle. Whether she would have gone fast or slow the out come would have been the same if she continued. If she had crawled it (tough to do with stock gearing) she could have stopped and then backed down. The correct line in that spot is actually several feet farther over to the drivers side. By getting further over you miss that big hole that the passenger rear drops into which causes the roll.

So knowing the obstacle, the long and short wheelbase lines, etc helps a lot.
Randy speaks word of great wit! Another problem that is very common on the trail is spotter macho-ism. If a guy spotting only has experience in short wheel base or long wheelbase vehicles he must yield to someone with more experience for the vehicle that's doing the obstacle! It's a tough thing to do.
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