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Old 10-07-2013, 02:00 PM
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why? all of congress is just as much bull**** as the so called savior
Touche...

Mike sorry if I was a little harsh, too much morning coffee..
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:37 PM
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they're shutting down parks and sites the fed's don't even fund

-claude moore colonial farm
-Ford's Theater
-Mount Vernon
LOL. All three of those are administered by the National Park Service, so they are closed.

I'm curious why you all think that the National Parks should be open? I thought you all thought that the NPS was one of those "not needed" things?
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:42 PM
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I'm not so sure people are upset that they are closed...I think its laughable that they don't have money to keep them open yet they can staff the doors to keep them closed.
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Curious how you would go about keeping people from looting places, damaging things, etc? Lots of those historical sites have very priceless items within them (Mount Vernon certainly).

I may be a pessimist, but I don't believe that people would just "respect" the closure signs.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:32 PM
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Curious how you would go about keeping people from looting places, damaging things, etc? Lots of those historical sites have very priceless items within them (Mount Vernon certainly).

I may be a pessimist, but I don't believe that people would just "respect" the closure signs.
I won't get into it all, its pointless.

But just real quick, Mount Vernon is actually privately owned and operated by the Mount Vernon Ladies association. It has never been under the operations of the NPS and it is actually open, they have had to update their website to state that its actually not shutdown but open because "they" barricaded the parking lots surrounding it with closed due to federal govt shutdown.

but I won't comment further, just wanted to clarify.
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"The National Park Service blocked parking lots at George Washington’s Mt. Vernon Estate and Gardens “due to a misunderstanding over the ownership of the spaces,” according to Melissa Wood, Mt. Vernon’s media director.

Mount Vernon officials approached the NPS, which removed the barricades “as soon as they realized their mistake,” Wood says, adding that the Park Service maintains the parking lots, but Mount Vernon owns the property. "
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Fair enough, they are open. And, it seems, via articles, that the NPS removed their signs once the issue was straitened out. I assume we can all admit to making a few mistakes ourselves?

For areas that are NOT privately owned, like the one that started this thread, I would argue that it is important to the maintenance of those parks to keep them closed, a la my previous comments. There are other areas with priceless things besides mount Vernon.

I have LOADS of issues with our government, but I believe that the National Parks is one thing the feds do that is 100% worthwhile. I enjoy visiting them, and while I take issue with the closures on other federal lands (Forests or BLM) supposed to be open to the public, I damn sure would rather have at least SOME public areas to recreate, rather than all private. As a hunter and fisherman, I am VERY thankful for areas that I can only access by foot.

In the end, I think this thread is a prime example of what our Gov't is great at: convincing us it is anyone's fault but congress'. Here we are arguing about a minuscule department and budget item, when the real issue is that there are a bunch of whiny kindergarteners running the damn show.

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Fair enough, they are open. And, it seems, via articles, that the NPS removed their signs once the issue was straitened out. I assume we can all admit to making a few mistakes ourselves?
indeed. we can.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/straightened

sorry, I couldn't resist.

sorry sorry

but you are right we can, all kidding aside

see I had to edit twice for grammar, never mind the capitalization and punctuation
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Isaac, the USFS doesn't have funding, but does that mean the forests are closed?

I am not advocating that anything be vandalized and I certainly appreciate the pricelessness of these places, but it seems to me that we fund the NPS for maintenance of the parks and for manning visitor centers etc., not just for the privilege of accessing them. Maybe I don't understand (because I haven't read) the statute establishing national parks?
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indeed. we can.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/straightened

sorry, I couldn't resist.

sorry sorry

but you are right we can, all kidding aside

see I had to edit twice for grammar, never mind the capitalization and punctuation


Well done! That was pretty damn funny.
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