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Thanks Uncle Ben. Now can you please open it up to the wyoming page and post that up??


1-800-buy-uown! I suppose I could break down and scan the pages for you. When I went to Black Hills I found (practical) repeater lists on the Gore net with some simple searching. Trouble with the directory over Google is you have no idea of the coverage or common use of the repeaters.
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Maybe Dave can explain how to use them better than me. I can fumble my way through but not well enough to explain it...

here are the Wyoming repeaters out of the 09-10 repeater book.
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Maybe Dave can explain how to use them better than me. I can fumble my way through but not well enough to explain it...

here are the Wyoming repeaters out of the 09-10 repeater book.
Thanks Marco, I downloaded these .doc files but can't open them.. Can you post them as .jpg?
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:50 AM
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Set frequency, push button and talk. Even a Cruiser driver can figure this out. ;-)

The hard part to grasp is the repeater offset and radios made since about 1985 generally do that for you (Yeasu calls it ARS, automatic repeater shift). Although I will admit explaining and understanding tones is also difficult. Think of the tone as the unlock code, like on software you install. You have to put in the right number to get the repeater to work. This is where the ARRL book is indispensable, it is usually the most correct reference on what is the current tone for a repeater.
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Thanks Marco, I downloaded these .doc files but can't open them.. Can you post them as .jpg?
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Marco posting those scans is, as they say, a teachable moment!

Everything you need to work on a repeater is right there. The only thing not given is the actual offset frequency which you would have to know. But I cropped a section of the book that shows the way the 3 main repeaters work.

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Take the Lusk repeater first. It tells you to listen on 147.330MHz, that it's a plus (+) offset repeater and to use 100 Hz tone. It also tells you that it has an autopatch (#) and a LTZ (long tone zero). Get to those in a minute.

So you set your radio to 147.330 as the output frequency (your listen frequency, the repeater output). The repeater input frequency (your transmit) will be 600KHz offset from that, so since it's a plus that means you transmit on 147.930MHz (147.330 + 0.600 = 147.930). Set your radio to use a tone of 100Hz, which since it's not called out otherwise means to use PL Tone or CTCSS, depending on how it's given on your radio. The 600KHz for 2m VHF is by convention and agreement amongst all hams, there is no particular significance to it. Other bands use different offsets (70cm UHF is 5MHz for example) and different countries might use different direction and frequency offsets.

All radios that the members of the club have should recognize that 147.330 is a repeater area and will automatically do the 600KHz offset for you. There is a plus or minus that shows up on the display usually to indicate that. If you modify your radio (which I'm sure no one has, right?) it might NOT do that automatically anymore. Manufacturers deliver region specific radios and if you go mucking about with the firmware it usually throws in the towel and assumes you know how to set offsets. So do not tread into that lightly. This includes often software settable radios like the VX-7R...

Next is the Cheyenne repeater listed. It works similarly with the exception that it's a minus (-) offset input. So listen on 146.800 and transmit into 146.200MHz. It appears to be a repeater that does not require a tone to access. This is pretty atypical for an urban area, although not necessarily out of the ordinary for rural areas.

The other type is the Casper Mountain repeater that says listen on 147.460MHz and says to use 147.460 in the place of a + or -. That means this is a repeater that probably is a retransmitter. You talk in, it records your message and when you release the key it transmits your message. In this case you don't use an offset at all, but notice it still has a input tone of 100Hz. But with these remember to listen and leave gaps between talking so that you don't talk over another message. Also etiquette is important, these are harder to break into and so leave a couple of seconds for other stations to answer or get in. It is also important to notice that you would have to override your radio's ARS function potentially in this case, so be aware. I believe 147.460 is within the assumed repeater range and so most radios would want to do an offset.

Most of you guys probably know what an autopatch does, but LTZ might be unfamiliar. These are part of the wilderness protocol and generally emergency use. A repeater that lists LTZ will dial a pre-designated phone number when you press and hold the zero key on your mic for a few seconds. That's usually 911 or a sheriff, but could be most any phone number. Most autopatches are closed to general use but the LTZ is almost universally the exception. Anyone doing a LTZ will get the phone call even without the access code to the autopatch.
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Everything you need to work on a repeater is right there.
Dang. A week in Wyoming should be enough to figure that out. Thanks!
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