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Old 03-22-2010, 01:29 AM
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Default Stupid 80's Question Pt II - Oil Filter

Ok, since Matt started this theme (luckily for me ) I thought I'd see if I could best his stupid question with one of my own.

Changed the oil in the 's 80 and the LX today. Everything went fine as usual except for I couldn't get the stupid oil filter off on the 80 - I went through this way back the first time I changed the oil in the 80 and resorted to the "punch a screwdriver through the oil filter" trick. I had no desire to relieve that utterly messy experience, and the needed to be somewhere so I just filled the 80 up with fresh oil and sent her on her way until I could figure out what to do. The filter on the LX came off easy so I guess the last oil change I tightened the 80's filter just a tad too much (I follow the FSM recommended method of a 3/4 turn after the oil filter seal makes contact)

I hit Checker up later in the day and picked up a pair of oil filter wrench pliers:

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I "think" I can get to the oil filer from below with these (definitely can't from the top) and I'm hoping that can loosen the oil filter just enough so I can get it off....

Now, for the stupid question. Can I change just the oil filter without having to drain the oil - I'm pretty clueless about the internal workings of an engine, and I know it'll make a mess but I'd really like to not have to buy another 8 qts of oil to replace the brand new stuff I just put in
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Old 03-22-2010, 05:43 AM
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yes, might have to top off with a half quart or so. Your old filter may have dirtied the new oil a little bt I would not worry much.
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I'd leave it on and change it next time. It's going to be messy.
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I would not let a filter go 2 oil changes. I read some studies that an oil filter may go into bypass mode well before the oil change is due. That is the problem with running synthetic oil on higher mileage change intervals.
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:04 AM
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Jeff this is the style of filter wrench that I have and think it works the best on the 80 out of all that I've tried.


I probably got in a Checker, has a black handle. are you using the smaller 90915-20004 filters?
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Ok, since Matt started this theme (luckily for me ) I thought I'd see if I could best his stupid question with one of my own.

Changed the oil in the 's 80 and the LX today. Everything went fine as usual except for I couldn't get the stupid oil filter off on the 80 - I went through this way back the first time I changed the oil in the 80 and resorted to the "punch a screwdriver through the oil filter" trick. I had no desire to relieve that utterly messy experience, and the needed to be somewhere so I just filled the 80 up with fresh oil and sent her on her way until I could figure out what to do. The filter on the LX came off easy so I guess the last oil change I tightened the 80's filter just a tad too much (I follow the FSM recommended method of a 3/4 turn after the oil filter seal makes contact)

I hit Checker up later in the day and picked up a pair of oil filter wrench pliers:

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I "think" I can get to the oil filer from below with these (definitely can't from the top) and I'm hoping that can loosen the oil filter just enough so I can get it off....

Now, for the stupid question. Can I change just the oil filter without having to drain the oil - I'm pretty clueless about the internal workings of an engine, and I know it'll make a mess but I'd really like to not have to buy another 8 qts of oil to replace the brand new stuff I just put in
I use those pliers, I just use them at an angle to get at the filter and loosen it up. I go from above... I haven't found a better solution. Make sure you have the right filter though. I usually end up crushing it using this method.

What I haven't been able to figure out is how to get the filter off without making a mess... I seem to get oil all over the axle/brake hose.
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i like the strap second best, only because it hase a tendensey to slip.. i prefer this claw style below most because it dose almost any car from close up on to your ratchet.. to your 3.4l were you can just add 2 feet of extentions and get to the filter from out side the tire, with out scratching the paint..
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Jeff, I have the wrench that Nakman posted up. It has a nice swivel action that works well in hard to reach places. You are welcome to give it a go if you would like. You should be fine to just change the filter, but you will still have some spillage from the oil that is in the filter.
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I'd leave it on and change it next time. It's going to be messy.
Change it everytime! Oil filters are cheap compared to what contaminants can do to your engine when the filters bypass is open!
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i like the strap second best, only because it hase a tendensey to slip.. i prefer this claw style below most because it dose almost any car from close up on to your ratchet.. to your 3.4l were you can just add 2 feet of extentions and get to the filter from out side the tire, with out scratching the paint..

No way, really? I'm going to try that next time.. I just did my 3.4 yesterday, have gotten pretty good at leaning over the battery then feeling around down there with my left arm, but I wish there was a better way to clean up down there. Do you have to remove those rubber flaps to do this?
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