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Old 04-09-2010, 06:52 PM
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Sweet! The top and doors are coming OFF!!!

What have some of you done to have mirrors? It doesn't look like the factory ones would fit by the window hinges.

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Old 04-09-2010, 07:18 PM
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Sweet! The top and doors are coming OFF!!!

What have some of you done to have mirrors? It doesn't look like the factory ones would fit by the window hinges.

Thanks all.
Most mirrors can be mounted to either the door or Windshield hinges.

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Old 04-10-2010, 12:31 AM
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'91+ vehicles require a 3rd brakelight, usually mounted to the top even if it's "removable" (damhik)
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Old 04-10-2010, 01:06 AM
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'91+ vehicles require a 3rd brakelight, usually mounted to the top even if it's "removable" (damhik)
Are you guys manufacturing vehicles or trying to follow CO law when driving them? There is no law requiring a 3rd brake light. There are federal DOT laws requiring manufacturers to install them (which started in '86 for passenger cars and '94 for light trucks, BTW), but no CRS requiring their use.

Randy, care to cite a CRS# that talks about being legal doorless only if said vehicle came with soft doors? Same with the theory on the door lip. I've heard people quote these beliefs but I've yet to see the law. I don't believe it exists.

As far as mirror mounting, I use CJ mirrors on the windshield hinges, works great.
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Old 04-10-2010, 01:15 AM
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all I know is my 40 will be topless and doorless this summer no matter what the local constable thinks.....
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Old 04-10-2010, 06:49 AM
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I would never even THINK of going topless and doorless...

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Old 04-10-2010, 07:36 AM
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Randy, care to cite a CRS# that talks about being legal doorless only if said vehicle came with soft doors? Same with the theory on the door lip. I've heard people quote these beliefs but I've yet to see the law. I don't believe it exists.
But good question, I was wondering this, too since I'd always heard only Jeeps, FJ40s, etc. could legally remove their doors and never really much knew why. Obviously a vehicle designed to have removable doors, tops or what-not would have a structure rigid enough that the doors would not be necessary and maybe that is the reasoning.

I'd have guessed that CRS 42-4-203 would be the catch-all. This is the generic unsafe vehicle roadside evaluation that they can use to cite you if they judge your vehicle defective. But without engineering specifics written into the law I don't see how a court could rule without being arbitrary. Just because a rolling heep of junk looks dangerous without doors does not mean it necessarily would be.

AFAIK your vehicle must retain OE glass (e.g. tempered or safety), marker lights, headlights, etc. Another statue that I know from the top of my head is CRS 42-4-1407, which is the one that requires you to have mud flaps.
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I've never been pulled over for not having mudflaps - FJ40s didn't come with them. Hey Bill - I recognize that picture!

Early Broncos don't have a lip like FJ40s and Jeeps to keep stuff from rolling out, so don't know if they're ok to run without doors technically...
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Are you guys manufacturing vehicles or trying to follow CO law when driving them? There is no law requiring a 3rd brake light. There are federal DOT laws requiring manufacturers to install them (which started in '86 for passenger cars and '94 for light trucks, BTW), but no CRS requiring their use.

Randy, care to cite a CRS# that talks about being legal doorless only if said vehicle came with soft doors? Same with the theory on the door lip. I've heard people quote these beliefs but I've yet to see the law. I don't believe it exists.

As far as mirror mounting, I use CJ mirrors on the windshield hinges, works great.
In Utah there is a specific traffic code that requires doors unless the vehicle came factory without them. DaveinDenver is correct, in Colorado there is no specific CRS that specifically refers to doors, however the generic "unsafe vehicle" code would be used to address it.

But the entire discussion is probably moot since no one I know has ever been stopped just for that reason.
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