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Old 04-17-2010, 09:51 PM
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Tried you several times this afternoon from about 1700HNR to 1800HNR on 146.460 simplex with 50 watts. I believe I heard you through the scratchiness but I'm guessing you could not make me out. What are you running power wise and antenna wise? I was hitting the repeaters up on Mt Thorodin alright with low power and so I'm pretty sure my end was working.
Sorry Dave, realized with the new Cat/Muffler setup, kinda hard to here the radio on the Highway. Plus I couldnt remember everyones callsigns Also realised I was transmitting on Low power. Still need some time behind the wheel, so to speak.


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I had a good QSO with Perry around 17:00, I think we were both headed towards Boulder. Dave I heard you around 5:30 calling.. I tried to call you back after my errand was complete but you must have been back in the house. I also heard Tom trying to call Perry a couple of times but I was too tied up to jump in.. plus I was up in Boulder and it was pretty scratchy. nice to hear you guys out there though, in any case.
Yeah Tim, good to catch you, thought I reconized your call sign so i'm gald I sent it out there. I as well heard Tom, but it was breaking up. Tim, I was thinking about this after our CQ, but couldn't remember the "proper" ending. What's the best way to end?

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Old 04-17-2010, 10:11 PM
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What's the best way to end?

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Several ways to "end." call sign-wise, as long as you identified yourself once in the last 10 minutes your fine, so actually no need to even say you're clear. You could actually just say "alright see ya" if you were in a conversation (QSO), and if no one was talking to you then just don't talk again. However better etiquette usually prevails, so I'll give you a few of my favorite options.

Option 1: Conversation is winding down, you're done talking, but figure the other guy would have one last word after you. So I say my goodbyes, my see ya laters, then say "K0NAK, and I'll be clear on your final." that identifies my station one last time, and also implies that you'd talk one more time, after which you wouldn't hear me again and I'm turning my radio off (or changing the channel) after your last transmission.

Option 2: I suddenly gotta go (or I'm just over this conversation) so I say "hey man good talking to you, I'm gonna clear out... K0NAK clear." that pretty much implies that I just shut my radio off.

Option 3: Probably the most polite, and this one is to say the other guy's call sign as well. So "hey man good talking to you, KD0LDQ, K0NAK clear an monitoring." that one implies that our conversation (QSO) is over, but I'm keeping the radio on and not changing the channel.

Option 4 is just quit talking..

don't make it a bigger deal than it needs to be... monitor the local repeaters and listen to some of the other locals (non-RS), like jump on 145.460 in the mornings between around 7:15 and 8:00 to hear that morning crew run through their usual routine.. very eloquent, very polite, by the book, yet very casual. And continue to listen on runs, and I'm sure you pick up your own style.
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Old 04-17-2010, 10:38 PM
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Several ways to "end." call sign-wise, as long as you identified yourself once in the last 10 minutes your fine, so actually no need to even say you're clear. You could actually just say "alright see ya" if you were in a conversation (QSO), and if no one was talking to you then just don't talk again. However better etiquette usually prevails, so I'll give you a few of my favorite options.

Option 1: Conversation is winding down, you're done talking, but figure the other guy would have one last word after you. So I say my goodbyes, my see ya laters, then say "K0NAK, and I'll be clear on your final." that identifies my station one last time, and also implies that you'd talk one more time, after which you wouldn't hear me again and I'm turning my radio off (or changing the channel) after your last transmission.

Option 2: I suddenly gotta go (or I'm just over this conversation) so I say "hey man good talking to you, I'm gonna clear out... K0NAK clear." that pretty much implies that I just shut my radio off.

Option 3: Probably the most polite, and this one is to say the other guy's call sign as well. So "hey man good talking to you, KD0LDQ, K0NAK clear an monitoring." that one implies that our conversation (QSO) is over, but I'm keeping the radio on and not changing the channel.

Option 4 is just quit talking..

don't make it a bigger deal than it needs to be... monitor the local repeaters and listen to some of the other locals (non-RS), like jump on 145.460 in the mornings between around 7:15 and 8:00 to hear that morning crew run through their usual routine.. very eloquent, very polite, by the book, yet very casual. And continue to listen on runs, and I'm sure you pick up your own style.
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You guys had a QSO (pronounced cue-so), this is the Q-code for a conversation or contact. CQ (see-cue, which is just a phonetic for 'seek you' more or less) is what you use to call when looking for a contact.

The way you would end a QSO is to just sign off, saying something to the effect of...

"Good chatting with you Tim, gotta run for that hot date with the boss' daughter. So 73s K0NAK, this is KD0LDQ signing off and will be clear on your final."

"OK Perry, nice hearing you on the radio, let us know how that date with Hildagard the 800 lbs woman goes. K0NAK clear and monitoring."

"KC0PEG"

"Go ahead Dave."

"Hi Tim, yeah poor Perry, eh?"

etc, etc, etc.

BTW, Nakman's option 4 is called "Getting Frank'd". It's a long and dorky explanation why and we really don't want to turn newbies off at this point.

The most important thing is that you give your call sign on your last transmission. You also have to give it at the beginning and every 10 minutes.
Alright, think that clears things up.

As far as Hildagard, couldnt tell ya. My boss is my Dad and I dont remember having a big sis.....
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:01 AM
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don't make it a bigger deal than it needs to be...
x2. Remember how it all worked just fine in Wyoming, when you were only listening. Since I can never remember call signs I always add my name and ask for the other person's name.

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What's the best way to end?
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:46 AM
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x2. Remember how it all worked just fine in Wyoming, when you were only listening. Since I can never remember call signs I always add my name and ask for the other person's name.



Happy!

Now that is my kind of ending
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:35 PM
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Tim and Dave offer awesome info on ending the QSO (thanks Dave for explaining the que-soh sound!).

I will add, as the HAM radio guru must, that at the end of the LAST transmission the only thing that must be included in the LAST transmission (at any time during the LAST transmission) is the transmitting stations callsign. It doesn't matter about anything else, goodbyes, 73's and 88's, whatever.

When you are not going to transmit on the frequency again as part of the current QSO you must, as part of FCC's part 97 rules which govern the Amateur Radio services, identify the station by voice or CW (or packet, etc) the stations callsign.

Contrary to Daniel's desire to identify whomever he is speaking to as well as himself (thanks for falling asleep in my class!) only your own call need be said by you.

Its easy enough to remember--Give YOUR callsign every ten minutes and during the last transmission (by you).



No amateur operator need give anyone elses callsign as part of their transmission. You are responsible for the correct operation of your own station, not anyone elses. I know it seems hard to grasp, but you may start a transmission by asking if whomever you wish to speak to is out there by their name. Example:

(Once it is determined that the frequency is not in use, or an appropriate time to break in is figured out)
Nathaniel-- Hey perry, this is Nathaniel, you there?

Perry--Yeah this is perry, go ahead nathaniel.

Nathaniel--You got the spare port-a-potty?

Perry--yes I do.

Nathaniel--Thanks. well see you in a few. WIIN

Perry--yeah, I figure about ten minutes. KDLDQ

Done. Perfectly acceptable. And in case i didn't hear anything from Perry, i would have just said

WIIN, clear.

Now, most of us identify more than that, which is more courteous seeing as though we aren't the only people using the frequency. But this is the bare minimum. I suggest somewhere in between. I'll politely tell anyone who I hear doing something that might get someones feathers ruffled.


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Old 04-19-2010, 01:38 PM
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As you all know because you so diligently read your license manual from cover to cover, the only music that may be a part of an amateur radio stations transmission is during what?

When it is part of the background noise during a space shuttle transmission.

At no other time is an Amateur radio station allowed to transmit (or retransmit) music. So keep that in mind and turn the stereo down a bit when you're on the air.


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Old 04-19-2010, 01:49 PM
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When it is part of the background noise during a space shuttle transmission.
There is one other exception to that rule and that is NOAA (and only NOAA) weather radio may be re-transmitted by an amateur station. Otherwise turn the background sounds down fellas!
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:26 PM
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There goes my pirate radio idea Now I have to figure another way to get the Dixie chicks soe airtime
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There goes my pirate radio idea Now I have to figure another way to get the Dixie chicks soe airtime
ANd now, even if you do it on your CB you could lose your ham gear and your license. You're now held to a higher standard, Grasshopper.
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