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Old 11-02-2010, 03:52 PM
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Plenty of info out there regarding the various replacement stylii you mention. The middle priced one would work and the low price one appears to be a conical stylus. Worth the extra $10 if your table is in good shape. Have fun!!
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:25 PM
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So the top one isn't even elliptical? I was confused that they would even offer a non-elliptical needle.

Do you think it's worth the extra $30 to get the genuine Ortofon stylus?
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:01 AM
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Get the new belt installed and see how the old Dual works before spending $$ on a replacement stylus would be my advice. Going for the Ortophon stylus at the price Dave found would probably be the best way to go. The reason a conical, on average, creates less wear on a record is because it functions its best without any sort of critical setup. The more exotic stylus shapes can dig more information out of a groove but require careful setup by an experienced hand to function their best.
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:34 AM
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i second crash.

it's all a matter of perspective. Take that perspective and add that to the time you will actually be using the turntable, divided by the value you place on that experience.




I know I have one of the closest to tube sounding solid state/digital set ups out there. I only really appreciate it about 20% of the time. The rest of the time it's just there.
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Wax and Wane, The Tough Realities Behind Vinyl's Comeback

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More and more people are buying vinyl; sales hit a record 6.1 million units in the U.S. last year. But as demand increases, the number of American pressing plants remains relatively fixed. No one is building new presses because, by all accounts, it would be prohibitively expensive. So the industry is limited to the dozen or so plants currently operating in the States. The biggest is Nashville’s United, which operates 22 presses that pump out 30,000 to 40,000 records a day. California-based Rainbo Records and Erika Records are similarly large outfits, and after that come mid-size operations like Record Technology, Inc., also in California, with nine presses, and Cleveland’s Gotta Groove Records, which turns out between 4,000 and 5,000 records a day on six presses. Boutique manufacturers like Musicol in Columbus, Archer in Detroit, and Palomino in Kentucky operate between one and five presses.

“You used to be able to turn over a record in four weeks,” says John Beeler, project manager at Asthmatic Kitty, the label home of Sufjan Stevens. “But I’m now telling my artists that we need at least three months from the time they turn it in to the time we get it back.” Across the board, lengthy lead times that were once anomalies are now the norm. “They’ve been longer this year than they were even nine months ago,” says Nick Blandford, managing director of the Secretly Label Group, which includes prominent indie imprints Secretly Canadian, Jagjaguwar, and Dead Oceans, and artists including Bon Iver and the War on Drugs. “We crossed our fingers and hoped that turn times would improve after Record Store Day in April, but they’re still about the same. We’ve just accepted this as the reality.”

So when it comes to the current state of the vinyl industry’s unlikely resurrection, everyone is happy. And everyone is frustrated.
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Even order harmonics are more pleasing to the ear, expecially second order, not odd order.
That's why all my guitar amplifiers are all-tube.

FWIW, I listened to 3 Dog Night's "It Ain't Easy" on vinyl Saturday evening. I used to manage a record store back in the 1970s and still have over a thousand albums.
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So I'm thinking it's time to replace my old Dual and upgrade. There are a bunch of minor things that need fixing, and it was never a high end turntable to begin with. The guys at Gold Sound have pretty well convinced me that my old Dual is ready to be retired.

Right now, the Pro-ject Debut Carbon is at the top of my list. You can get the metal platter version for $399.

Here's a great review of the current options for a decent turntable that's "budget" priced. The Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB is certainly very tempting for the price. I'm debating whether I care about whether it's automatic or not. I probably would be fine with a manual table.

The U-Turn turntables are also very cool. All U.S. made and funded on Kickstarter.
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I have a Pro-Ject Debut III with the cast steel platter, just plain matte black plinth with the Ortofon OM5e cartridge. The main difference between the one you're considering and mine is that my tonearm is an aluminum tube and the Carbon is carbon fiber. The plinth is MDF on both, the motors are the same AFAIK and the suspension is the same. I think some of the Carbons come with an Ortofon 2M Red, which is regarded as a sight improvement over the OM5e I have. Dunno.

The acrylic platter on the Carbon would be nice, if for no other reason than you don't need the felt static mat. Plus it looks cool. But I doubt you'll hear the difference unless your hi-fi is in a dedicated listening room. Personally, I didn't feel the need to spend the extra $150 for it and haven't really thought I should upgrade mine. It's plenty of turntable for anything you or I do. Plus, there is actually an advantage to the steel or aluminum platter, they are heavier and tend to be slightly more stable. It's all about rotational mass!

A true believer like Crash would immediate notice it's flaws, but as far as I can hear it's stable and sounds good. I got mine at Gold Sound as well. They're an OK shop but only because they deal in used and less exotic equipment. I bought my speakers (Paradigm Mini Monitor v.5) at Cherry Creek Audio in their old store on Colorado but they had to order them, they didn't stock anything under $2k/pair.

I personally wouldn't bother with an automatic TT. Does anyone still make them new?

Those U-Turn TT look nice. Back when I got my Pro-Ject there was something of a void between the low and high end. Now there are a lot of choices. Also realize that it's a sliding scale. To audiophiles the Debut is entry level, to hipsters it's high end. In the end, it's a solid turntable that does what you need. It's at the low side of knee on the cost-benefit curve. To significantly improve a little you have to drop a lot more coin. To me the sweet spot is about $750, you can get a whole lot of turntable at that price point, but that's still a bit rich for my blood (say a Sota Moonbeam which would be about $900 with a mid grade Ortofon cart).

BTW, Music Hall would be my second choice at this level (look at the MMF-2.2). Also consider the Rega offerings. Thorens, Denon and Marantz still makes turntables, but couldn't tell you anything their models. Honestly, if I was going to replace my current table it would be a Debut Carbon most likely.

I know Dean has a similar level turntable, I want to say he got the Music Hall. He got his from Moondance way back when. John actually recommended the Debut to me since he'd already decided to close the shop.

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Old 01-06-2015, 10:26 AM
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I stand corrected, the Debut Carbon is in many ways a marked improvement on my Debut III. I don't have any reason to dislike my 'table but I would run, not walk, to get a Carbon...

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Thanks, Dave. I'm thinking that the Carbon will do everything I need. It's funny about music gear -- you can quickly get sucked down the hole of high-end vintage gear. I spent some time last night looking at the Thorens TD 124 turntables for sale on eBay last night. This morning I thought, just think of how much music (vinyl, digital, or tickets to live shows) I could buy for that kind of money. It gets crazy.

What's your opinion of the regular Carbon vs. the Carbon DC?
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