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Old 03-01-2011, 08:45 AM
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Is there any practical way to mount an 8274 on a stock FJ40 front bumper without welding a winch mount to the bumper itself? I saw the freebie FJ40/8274 bumper here a few weeks ago - and that's one way to do it - albeit with welding. Here's why I ask:

I'm finishing a stock resto on a 1980 FJ40 and really want to use a stock bumper. But, the truck came with a rockin' 8274 that needs a home. I don't want to buy a brand new front OEM bumper and then hack it up for the winch. Thoughts? I can see where you would have to (at least) bolt a winch plate to the bumper to pick up some strength from the bumper. (You can't have an 8274 pulling hard and have it just resting on the bumper, I think).

The truck came with what I think is an older Warn winch bumper - just a chunk of u-channel with a plate on it. Not homemade, but fairly non-OEM looking. I could shorten it a bit and powdercoat it, but I'd really like to head more toward stock. Pix attached. Am I nuts - should I just use this bumper and not be such a stock/OEM weenie?
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:13 AM
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I would try for something like this: no idea what's involved though...
http://forum.ih8mud.com/winching-rec...ml#post5595012
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Old 03-01-2011, 10:22 AM
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Is there any practical way to mount an 8274 on a stock FJ40 front bumper without welding a winch mount to the bumper itself? I saw the freebie FJ40/8274 bumper here a few weeks ago - and that's one way to do it - albeit with welding. Am I nuts - should I just use this bumper and not be such a stock/OEM weenie?
Well, the 8274 never came as a factory/OEM option on the 40 so unless you install a factory PTO style winch you have violated the sanctity of "OEM" anyways.

You can mount the 8274 on top of a winch plate that is bolted to the frame rails. Done properly it is plenty strong and no welding is required. By mounting it up higher the fairlead is on a backing plate and above the bumper so you don't have to cut a hole in the OEM bumper. It takes a little more time, effort and material to build this type of mount.

The downside to this configuration is it sits up quite a bit higher and blocks more of the air flow through the radiator, causing the engine to possibly run a little warmer.

You could also install a receiver type hitch receptacle under the front bumper and mount the winch on a removeable cradle that plugs into it. This way it's only on the front when it's beused. But then you have to carry the thing around inside the vehicle with you and 8274's are pretty heavy to be moving around in that fashion.
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If you take that bumper above and fiddle with the ends with some pie cuts and rewelding it back together. You'd get a nice winch mount and you could "fake" the rounded ends of the stock bumper.

I have a bumper like the one above with an 8274 mount if you'd like it, the bumper has been cut to the width of the frame horns. It could be an easy place to start.

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Thanks - great suggestions that have given me some other ideas, too.

I mounted a PTO winch on my '78 FJ40 (also not correct for that year ;-) - but Toyota, at least). I think this 8274 would out-pull it before the PTO broke shear pins (of which I have broken many). I used to wonder why everyone was so hot on 8274s - now I know!

I had thought of using a receiver hitch piece and making a removable winch - but as you said, the 8274 is a heavy dog for that. With synthetic cable, it would be more manageable. Still, I have some old hitches and should look into this. Are there quick-disconnects that can handle full battery current - 500+ amps?

I wonder if you could mount the 8274 such that the fairlead came out just *below* the OEM bumper and the winch sat inside the frame rails - that way, you'd get a lower profile (less air blockage) and really wouldn't lose appreciable ground clearance (approach angle). I'll have to dummy that up by putting the winch on a milk crate and experimenting. You could build the mount, install the winch, and just install the OEM bumper in front of the winch plate. What I don't know offhand is if the 8274 is too fat or wide to live in a low place between the frame rails and behind the bumper.

Drew - thanks for the offer - I'll likely cut mine up if I go the route of salvaging the winch plate.

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There's a hot discussion about PTO vs. 8274 in the Diesel Tech section on MUD...
http://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tech-...-winch-hj.html

Since I don't have a better picture, see the first couple pics in this thread: it would seem there is plenty of room to fit it however you could get it to work - I have never seen an 8274 mounted as low as you're talking before though...
http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series...ing-winch.html

EDIT again: if you see where my fairlead is mounted in the pic below, you'll see that you're losing a lot of ground clearance with the fairlead if you try to go under the front bumper...
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:14 PM
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Matt - great photo - thanks. Is that a Massey Ferguson tractor at the right edge of the photo?

I'm thinking that my hawse-type fairlead is only 2" high/tall, and if it were snugged up against the bottom of the OEM bumper, you wouldn't lose too much clearance. I agree that a roller fairlead is quite a bit taller and would hang down pretty far.
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Yep, my great-grandfather's 1957 MF High 40. Passed down to my grandfather, passed down to my dad, hopefully someday passed down to me We have a bunch of implements for it too The one we don't have that would be cool would be a bucket attachment for the front. My dad started doing some repainting to bring it back to stock color (yellow, it's now red), but it needs a lot of work. Maybe some day if I get it passed to me I could tear it down and rebuild it.

Anyway, a hawse fairlead would probably help a lot; here's some more pics of Zepp's 8274 installation that might help with some visuals:
http://rzeppa.org/tech/fbumper.htm
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There were 8274's that were port installed and dealer installed. The 8274 I got from coax I think was port installed. It has japanese stickers as a warning label. There were also Toyota upright winches that were warn knockoffs. I think in '79 if you got a winch there is a reinforced stock bumper. I'll see if I can find the info.

I like that bumper though. I would trim it down a touch. You can mount it above. While above the bumper does block it more I haven't read where anyone runs hot because of that with a stock engine.

Here is infor on the reinforced bumper and a raised 8274. I wouldn't mount it below the bumper.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series...ck-bumper.html
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T The 8274 I got from coax I think was port installed. It has japanese stickers as a warning label.
No kidding, I never even noticed that. Cool.



Here's how it was mounted up on the 55, which might be similar to the 40, fwiw. I cut off the wings of the bumper as they were damaged, so use a bit of imagination there







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