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Old 04-17-2011, 09:16 PM
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Let me preface this - I have installed 2 FJ40 headliners prior to this, using Super 77 adhesive....

I glued a new CCoT headliner in my 1980 FJ40 using 3M Super 77 adhesive. I only sprayed one side and pressed the headliner in place. After mounting the roof, the headliner basically fell off within a week. A few parts were firmly cemented, but much of it peeled readily off the roof. <Sigh>

I painstaking removed the roof and peeled back the headliner. I used most of a can of Loctite spray adhesive and coated both sides and let them dry briefly. I pressed down the headliner. Much of the headliner stuck a lot better, but the rear half is falling off again tonight. <Sigh>

I'm about to go postal if I can't get this headliner glued in place. My current plan is to pull down the rear half, buy a new can of Super 77, and heavily douse both sides, let it dry 5-10 min, and reattach. I refuse to pull the roof off the truck again.

Any other ideas for me to try? Thanks - Steve
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Old 04-17-2011, 10:08 PM
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Give B&D on South Broadway a call. They may have a better adhesive to use. If you are spraying it just on your metal inner roof you have to remember all the abuse it takes. The extreme heat and cold are enough to kill the adhesion of any glue unless specifically designed for that purpose.

The shop I am talking about is on the 1300 block of S. Broadway on the west side. Give them a call and see what they have to offer. I am 90% sure of the name bu UB knows the shop I am talking about, they sell everything for the interior. Good luck.
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I've had two FJ40 headliners put in by:
http://www.mastercraftautoupholstery.com/

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You could always try 3M 90. It's a bit stronger than 77.
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I have never had any luck with the Super77. I used the 3M General Spray Adhesive on the headliner for the 80 and it has held up great. The 3M Super is stronger but it has a green tint to it and can bleed through depending on the fabric you are using.

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Old 04-18-2011, 09:59 AM
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Might there be oils or something else on the roof causing the glue to work sub-optimally? I assume you addressed that, but just trying to think of why this experience has been different.
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I know you don't want to remove the roof again, but having it upside down so that gravity is in your favor as it dries completely will probably help.
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I did prep the roof very well for the new headliner - using a Scotchbrite on a drill to remove all the old foam and glue residue.

Thanks for the product descriptions of other 3M products. In the past, the '77' was not intended for headliners, and 'Super 77' was - and has served me well in the past. The SOR headliner really stuck well. The foam on the CCoT headliner is much tougher and more durable, but from what I can tell, doesn't hold glue like the other liners I have used.

I'm going to see how bad it gets (how much it falls) when I park in the sun, and I may take it to a local upholstery shop.

Pulling the roof would make the most sense, but my circle of friends is getting exhausted with the roof pull hokey pokey, or they are all old enough to have shoulder/back pain.
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You need to make a hoist system to pull the top your self!

That's what I did...
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