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Old 10-08-2011, 08:59 AM
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My issues with spotting have been one of the main reasons I'm not as willing to lead a trail, and it doesn't help that I do not usually know until that morning if I can go. One of the problems that I have noticed with the FJC Summit is that some of the TL's are inconsiderate of the fact that they may be leading some who are new to putting their wheels on dirt with an incline. Others are more worried about getting back to town fast, while others don't even make sure the person behind them is in view. Not sure where I was going with this, maybe just a two cent rant...
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:21 AM
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The spotter also needs to take into account the vehicle he is spotting. A person that has driven an 80 all of his 4 wheeling life will not understand that a 40 will most likely take a different line and vice versa. Also, wheeling an independent front vehicle will need special attention, because the front won't flex and that will most always freak the driver when he/she carries a wheel, even though they are on the safest line for their vehicle.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:49 PM
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Here is a video of some great spotting by Dan "Convert". It comes at about 3 minutes into the video.

He is an excellent spotter, imo.

What I like is Dan's hand signals are direct and easy to follow.



I could not make out any directions from the Geko.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:45 AM
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One spotter who rarely smiles but always excels is Joe Callegia. He could spot me through Hades and I'd be good with it.
But agreed, attitude and positiveness are very contagious!
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:23 AM
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One of my pet peeves has become over spotting. One of the reasons people attend these events is to learn how to drive off-road. If you are on a trail and every single little obstacle has a spotter, then people never learn to pick lines and drive by themselves. I normally suggest we just drive, then people ask for a spot only when needed or if I know safety is a concern.

Not only do people gain experience but the day does not drag on forever. Most people should be able to follow the truck in front of them without a spotting. You should learn how to observe the behavior of the truck on obstacles and what to anticipate.

If the trail leader keeps on spotting, then people don't learn how to choose lines. Put same type of vehicles together in the group so they can observe and learn.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:52 AM
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^I agree. Play follow the leader (which is the person in front of you) and just drive. Watch the tires of the truck in front of you, and process in your brain why the line was good (or not good) and then follow.
Of course if you are driving an FJ40 and the guy in front of you just rolled his Tacoma, it may be a good idea to look for a different line.
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:42 PM
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I am totally on this bandwagon as well. I discuss this at the morning drivers meeting also and try to identify any weak links.

It was well received on my runs on Spike and Moab Rim this year. On those trails. My approach was that these are advanced trails that require advanced driving skills so stopping a lot and spotting will only be on the big obstacles or for those that get into trouble or request it. Everyone agreed and we moved along at a nice pace and finished the trails in good time.

I was then prepared to discuss with anyone the option of bowing out if they weren't comfortable with that based on their rig for driving skills.

Advanced trails require advanced drivers and rigs which benefits the group as a whole.

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One of my pet peeves has become over spotting. One of the reasons people attend these events is to learn how to drive off-road. If you are on a trail and every single little obstacle has a spotter, then people never learn to pick lines and drive by themselves. I normally suggest we just drive, then people ask for a spot only when needed or if I know safety is a concern.

Not only do people gain experience but the day does not drag on forever. Most people should be able to follow the truck in front of them without a spotting. You should learn how to observe the behavior of the truck on obstacles and what to anticipate.

If the trail leader keeps on spotting, then people don't learn how to choose lines. Put same type of vehicles together in the group so they can observe and learn.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:31 AM
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sometimes, you just need an extra set of eyes. Sometimes you can look in your rear view mirror and see someone stopped at the crest of a ledge trying to look over the hood or out the door when they have "lost" the line.

Sometimes I can use the CB to tell the guy behind me that they are lined up perfectly and are good to go or tell them something like, "steer driver a little bit and come on down." I don't have to get out of the truck which helps keep the trail moving. You all know that as soon as the leader opens the door to get out, EVERYONE stops to open their door and get out!
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:34 AM
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Great comments so far. I really liked Corbet's gloves and went out and got a pair to spot with. The super bright neon gloves are really easy to see. Brandon, some practice can go a long way. I'm sure some people here will offer to let you spot. Start with easier stuff that people don't really need a spot, have them watch you, instead of the trail. Or at a trail head parking lot. You direct someone parallel parking between 2 other rigs.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:48 PM
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Where can I get a pair of nakman/corbet day-glo gloves?
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