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Old 11-08-2012, 07:22 AM
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I spy a 70 series...
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:38 PM
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If only they could apply their tag line "Land Cruiser, its newer not softer" to our market.
No kidding. None of those ads would fly here, but oh man, they should. Funny how Toyota allows that with how conservative they are.

Whew....I can imagine the backlash and apology campaign for that first one. Lol.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:47 AM
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Wish I could go to a lot here in the US and test drive one of these....

http://forum.ih8mud.com/70-series-te...lc-76-1hz.html
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:28 PM
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:20 AM
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Wish I could go to a lot here in the US and buy one of these....

http://forum.ih8mud.com/70-series-te...lc-76-1hz.html
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:49 AM
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Devil's advocate...

While the HZJ is a killer motor, few outside of the Cruiserhead community would want one. While we all wish Toyota would build and market just to us, its not happening

However, the VDJ (V8 Turbo-diesel) is something I feel the US consumers would buy, now would they buy it at the est $80k USD price tag? Tough call. What about a GRJ76, i.e. the same motor as the US spec Tacoma and FJ Cruiser however instead in the 4dr 70 Series wagon chassis (making it a 76). I was shocked to know they exist and are quite peppy and popular in their markets. There is absolutely zero reason Toyota couldn't streamline these into the US in my opinion, the engine is already EPA certified, and the chassis/body should be easy enough to get through fed DOT considering it meets more stringent Euro specs. But at an est. $60k USD price tag, would it sell enough for Toyota to import? There are substantial costs with bringing a vehicle into the US, parts supplies, tech training, federal safety mandates, etc. Would they sell?
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Devil's advocate...

While the HZJ is a killer motor, few outside of the Cruiserhead community would want one. While we all wish Toyota would build and market just to us, its not happening

However, the VDJ (V8 Turbo-diesel) is something I feel the US consumers would buy, now would they buy it at the est $80k USD price tag? Tough call. What about a GRJ76, i.e. the same motor as the US spec Tacoma and FJ Cruiser however instead in the 4dr 70 Series wagon chassis (making it a 76). I was shocked to know they exist and are quite peppy and popular in their markets. There is absolutely zero reason Toyota couldn't streamline these into the US in my opinion, the engine is already EPA certified, and the chassis/body should be easy enough to get through fed DOT considering it meets more stringent Euro specs. But at an est. $60k USD price tag, would it sell enough for Toyota to import? There are substantial costs with bringing a vehicle into the US, parts supplies, tech training, federal safety mandates, etc. Would they sell?
I sure like th 60k price tag better and even moded the FJC and 4th gen had plenty of power. Gas mielage, I could fill up in Denver and make it to Moab on one tank..It was a stretch but I could make it.
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Nope, $60K would not sell. I would pay for a diesel Tacoma, although it's been several years since I've been in a dealership and I'm assuming that to be in the $35K range. I'm lead to understand that my idea of what cars should-vs-actually-do cost is skewed. My perception is based upon the fact that we paid $5K used for our truck almost 13 years ago and $6K for our second hand Jetta 6 years ago, so $30K seems like an awful lot to begin with.
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Seems like G Wagons sell here and they cost even more, so why wouldn't an 80k cruiser sell? There are plenty of rich trophy wives that need expensive mall cruisers.
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:16 AM
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Does the current 200 series sell enough to justify importing it? It seems unlikely, yet Toyota is sticking with it (for now). I wonder if Toyota foresees a time in the near future when no LC is sold in this market, and the Lexus sticks around and gets pimped up a bit more - possibly based on the Sequoia platform rather than the LC?

In the current US market, SUV's in the 60-80k range with a diesel motor puts you in the luxury lineup: Audi A7, Mercedes, Porsche. 45-60k gets you an BMW X5 or probably our "best" SUV comparison - the VW Touareg. Or you can get a full size 3/4 or 1 Ton pickup like the super badass (based on factory equipment) Power Wagon.

If you are a woman in this country, would you rather have a LC 70-series with it's relatively spartan/dated designs, or a Mercedes/Audi/Porsche?

If you are a man (not a man on this forum, but a man in the break room at your job), would you buy a VDJ76, or an F350 fully decked out inside and out?

All that said, it feels to me like the Diesel market is gaining small amounts of momentum around here. I've seen BMW pimping the new X5 diesel, Porsche has the new Cayenne diesel, and VW seems to have most TDI's on the streets (mostly Jetta's though). The marketing line is not "clean diesel", or "MPG's" - it's the range: 700+ miles per tank. The Germans continue to lead the way. I wonder if any of the Japanese or US brands will attempt to compete?

Sorry - this is not a diesel debate thread and I'm taking the chat way off topic. But I've had 3 cups of coffee and a good night's sleep.
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