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Old 09-02-2013, 03:57 PM
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It's a hole that formed along a seam in the bed where the floor and the wheel well meet. This is a support channel underneath where it looks like gunk collected and the rust just found a void or scratch or something and I suppose has been just munching for a while.

I was packing the truck for the weekend and noticed a bubble that seems sorta soft, so took a chance fearing the worst and cut into it. Pulled out what I could and painted the whole thing with rust converting prep and covered it with duct tape. I tapped the rest of the floor and didn't feel anything else, but will start peeling off the bed liner.

Or maybe just buy a new bed from Toyota...

I'll have to investigate more but my first thought is based on how easy it was to peel off what I did that dry ice and trying to take it off in chunks would be most successful. Seems heat and chemicals that soften will just result in a mess.
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Still looking at Tacomas since selling that 2001.

Apparently this is still an issue. What the heck, Toyota? They worry about Pandora radio and key fobs but their truck frames are rotting. Apparently Dana didn't clean stamping press lube from the frames before coating them, which rendered them essentially unprotected.

There is a limited service campaign, SC-E0D, under which 2nd gen Tacomas in several states are getting replacement frames.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...y-get-free-fix
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States included in letter.

CT. DE. IL. IN. KY. MA. MD. ME. MI. MN. NH. NJ. NY. OH. PA. RI. VA. VT. WI. WV.

Letter reads

Toyota has received reports that certain 2005 through 2009 model year Tacoma vehicles operated in specific cold climate areas with high road salt use may exhibit more-than-normal corrosion to the vehicles frame. Toyota investigated these reports and determined that the frames in some vehicles may not have corrosion-resistant protection sufficient for use in these areas.

This combined with prolonged exposure to road salts and other environmental factors, may contribute to the development of more-than-normal rust in the frame of some vehicles. This condition is unrelated to and seperate from normal surface rust which is commonly found on metallic surfaces after some years of usage and/or exposure to the environment.
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i have bought 2 toyota that toyota would deem dead.. and i have even replaced an entier frame on a tacoma when working at the dealer..
i dont mind the rust as i can fix it.. its really easy. as the bad structural rust in isolated to the gap between the bed and cab. at the spring hanger location..

i say this next part like its no big deal. because to me its not and i can do it all in 1 day.

remove the bed, drop the gas tank, grind down the scale and flake.
cut out the bad sesction with a cut off wheel (typically the size of a football)
clean out the inside of the frame of all deprix por15 as much as you like and plate the frame with a 1/8" steel at liest 2" larger than your hole. treat the side and bottom as seprate repairs. it trully isnt a bad fix..

the spare tire carrier also gets it real bad.. i just cut it down and remove it compleatlly as we dont run stock size tires anyways.. and i plate that part of the frame as well for strength and add a tube to mount the shocks..
done in 1 day if you bust ass.

my newest taco has it the worst
it has it in the typical rear locations but also has it in the front by the firewall.. i have never seen it in the front before.. but it trully isnt nothing to be scared about or loose sleep on. because the fix is way stronger than the orgional.. i had holes (solid hole you can put your fist threw) about 10-14" long and 4-5" tall on the inside (both sides). and 2x8" on the bottom.. i even had to replace the spring hanger on one truck
but thats what converting to chevy 63" are for
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I just returned from a trip to Scotland, and while there are only a handful of Toyotas in the country, this one struck me as interesting. Not sure how old it is, but check out the frame rust in the back in the last photo!

I would have taken more pictures, but I didn't want to explain to the fire/rescue crew what I was doing, so I snapped one and left.
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Reminder, keep after that frame rust on your Tacomas! Wire brush, good wash and some paint every summer. Happen to be putting on springs and shocks so this summer I'm getting after sections I normally can't, like inside the shock mount and behind the spring shackle. And don't forget this was just inspected under the frame corrosion recall and deemed normal by Toyota.

You have to watch the welds, it seems Dana/Toyota either can't get them clean prior to coating or the paint just isn't adhering well. But I've also had bubbles starting right in the middle of the sides of the frame, so it's just a matter of a pinhole or chip, too.

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After wire brush, some light sanding and paint.

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Hello,

I am thinking about purchasing a 2005 Tacoma double cab TRD from one of my dad's buddies. The car was purchased new by my dad's friend in Washington state. After a year, it was driven to Baja (near Cabo), and kept there ever since.

My dad's buddy is fastidious about taking care of the car and as far as I know, it's in really good shape. It's got ~60,000 miles on it and has always been garaged.

I may buy it and drive it back to Colorado to use as my daily driver, including during winter.

My dad's friend plans to take the car to the Toyota dealership in Cabo later this month to have the spring leafs inspected for rust per the recall letter he received. I plan to ask the dealership to give the truck a full inspection at that time.

I've been reading about the frame rust issue and have some questions for you all.

--How does Toyota treat second owners when it comes to recalls? Exactly as if I were the original owner?

--If the truck doesn't have any rust issues now, but develops catastrophic frame rust sometime in the future, how will Toyota react? Does the recall have a specific time or mileage deadline? For a 2005 truck with 60,000 miles, how much more time
or mileage would Toyota allow before telling me I'm out of luck?

Anything else I should be concerned about?

Thanks for your help.
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Toyota is no longer assisting owners with rusted frames in any way as far as I know. The extended warranty has expired.
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--If the truck doesn't have any rust issues now, but develops catastrophic frame rust sometime in the future, how will Toyota react?

With proper inspection and rustproofing, you can prevent future frame rust issues, but if it has been near a coastal area, you will want to inspect thoroughly before buying (as you are doing) and then keep a close eye on it, and apply paint/grease as required to stop future rust.
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Toyota is no longer assisting owners with rusted frames in any way as far as I know. The extended warranty has expired.
The inspect by date is passed for 2005 through 2008, March 31, 2016 I believe, and was elapsed some time ago for 1995 through 2004.

If a 1995 through 2008 has been inspected per Toyota's limited service campaign requirements then it is eligible for a 15 year extended perforation warranty. Meaning if it does rust through within 15 years of being put in service (basically 15 years after it's model year for practical purposes) it may get a new frame. The 1995 to 2000 trucks just got a buy-back at some multiplier of value and are now out of warranty but the 2001 to 2008 trucks still get new frames if they need them.

There are second generations getting new frames currently. There is no word on when or if 2009+ trucks might start seeing this issue. Toyota assured buyers that the 2005-2008 had solved the problem but that wasn't the case. I got mine inspected about a year ago now and it passed with no significant perforation found but I've been cleaning, repainting and spraying corrosion preventive whenever I work underneath it. I posted an example of this earlier in the thread. It did start to develop some small bubble cancer rust on the outside of the frame rails after last winter that got brushed to metal, primed, painted and coated but otherwise it's just been superficial surface rust on the welds that hasn't been deep.

In the case of 2xfai's truck you would have to plug the VIN into Toyota's database to see if it was ever inspected. If so then it would be potentially covered under the rust-through warranty. If it has not been inspected in Toyota records then it will not be. The test is to literally hit several identified locations with a hammer to check for holes. One easy to see and check is the inner frame rail behind the catalytic converters. Others you want to check are the inside and outside over the rear axle back to the rear bumper and the boxed sections from the engine mounts on the inside back to under the cab. Poke at them and look closely for bubbles, the perforations are difficult to see visually but the scale will come off relatively easily if it's there. The paint will be probably be adhered the rust, so it's not easy to just see, you have to dig at it. In some cases back east whole sections of frame will fall away with the black paint still covering it but there's literally nothing but iron oxide powder behind it.

BTW, from a warranty standpoint the current owner is treated the same as the original buyer. If the truck was inspected and fails down the road, you should get a new frame. If it was not, you're out of luck. The cost for a frame replacement if done at a dealer is something like $12,000. If that is the case finding a used frame or welding scab plates over sections of rust-through are probably more cost effective.
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