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Old 12-04-2014, 12:24 PM
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Default The future of Tesla?

Anyone else wonder how long it will take for the auto industry to become like the phone/tablet industry?

So imagine taking your 2012 200 series into the dealer for it's 10k mile service today, only to realize that while it was there, they "upgraded" the software on cruiser's computer. Now, it goes zero to 60 in double the time it took as recently as your drive in, and the navigation, which worked perfectly yesterday, no longer works. The keyless entry no longer works, and now it's top speed is limited to just 65mph. The dealer shrugs, and says you just need to buy a brand new one. The software flash is not reversible and I should have specified I didn't want it changed.

I hope Toyota doesn't follow where I already see Tesla going.

I have a 2012 iphone, ipad, and sonos player, which up until about two months ago, I had ZERO complaints about. The above represents ~$1,000 worth of equipment that was badass the day I bought them. Now I'm finding that they are becoming hamstrung when there wasn't anything wrong with them. WTF?
I see a nice little business opportunity for someone that knows how to write code and continue support for "legacy" hardware.
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planned obsolescence...
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Old 12-04-2014, 01:44 PM
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I'm actually "ok" with that to some degree. I've played with the new phones, and there is a quite a bit of compelling reasons to upgrade to one and I likely will. What ticks me off is that I can't keep my Dec 2012 ipad to control my Sonos. You can upgrade, but consensus is that it cripples it. On top of that, Sonos is very good at sniffing out old versions and forcing an upgrade. For example, if I buy an iphone 6 and load the only version of Sonos controller on it that I'm allowed to, my Sonos player forces out my ipad and legacy phone whether I change them or not. Bastids. You could say that this is an app problem and not an apple problem, but that's not really true. Apple could easily maintain a database of old app versions that are no longer "supported". At least without support, I can load old stuff on and support it myself! Shoot...I still have a computer running windows 98. I don't use it for anything except a custom programming tool I have. Its legacy, its awesome, and it still works as originally designed. It's obsolete, unsupported, but it didn't turn off!
Car manufacturers already do this to some extent, since they don't make parts forever. I suppose the difference is that I know how to make my own parts if need be, but I don't know squat about writing an app for sonos.
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Old 12-04-2014, 01:56 PM
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One more point of interest here: Apple will still purchase my "old" hardware from me for a fairly large chunk of cash. Hmm....wonder if they load old software on it and ship it to another country. Not much use here once you put iOS 8 on it.
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Apple is the devil when it comes to planned obsolescence.

They have forced obsolescence.

I have had a fight going with them, and half of the iphone 4s user base has too after their ios upgrade that fries wireless chips on 4s that they know about and admit to and tell you to buy a new phone anyway and dare you to do anything about it other than buy more crap from them.

I hate that company and if it wasn't for my teenage daughters and wife who have to have an iphone and not anything else, I'd never buy anything from them ever.

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sorry for the hijack
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Enforced obsolescence is indeed their game if you care to play.

Android handsets and tablets suffer the same to a degree but I can always side-load an old app version after finding it on the web when I want the old junk to perform some useful function without all the crippling 'features'. (Droid 1 is my garage radio/clock for example, old droid Eris is fun for project time-lapses etc).

I'm always trying to squeeze some life from old junk so Apple just doesn't do it for me.

I'm terrified by the interconnected future of our transportation appliances from an ownership standpoint. TPMS is more evil than I can take as it is!
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Not a hijack at all. That's kind of my dilemma. I have liked the product a lot. Very well built, and since I refused to "update" software on any of them once I got a stable version, I had killer performance for over 2 years. Compared to some of the early junky phones my coworkers had, which fell apart, its a superior product. But.....I don't care for the forced upgrade you mention. I don't like supporting that kind of behavior, but they are very very good at locking you in. You can't port purchased apps from one brand of device to another, so if I flop to the Galaxy Note 4 (which has become damn sweet) I have to start over. It's already a big investment to change, and the apps thing makes it even more so....especially since I own multiple devices of one brand already.

Makes me wonder if any of the iphone crack software out there is capable of bypassing that BS.

And...since Tesla is almost a tablet you can drive (the whole center console is one) I can only imagine that's where it will go.
Don't get me wrong, I love tech, but they have created a monster with the current trend. If the consumer knows that a "better" version comes out in a year, and that their investment is toast in two, how long before the buying public says uncle?

Heh...AT&T is already on that with their "Next" plan. Don't buy the device at all, just lease it! Pretty sure that's how all of the hydrogen Hondas were, and I think some of the all electric cars do that too.
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This is already happening to some extent. Guy on the Audi boards took in his RS5 for oil service, they installed a software update for the electric steering and the car steering essentially lost any sport feel it used to have. He asked them to undo it and was told its irreversible. I believe he sold it after that.
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Problem is you are a Luddite in a throw away society. Even if it is planned companies can't keep networks and support software for ever. Eventually an 5 year old in india will hack your 4s while the rest of the world is on a 7r/ They can't pay people to keep your old **** going and provide updates for 500 users. Eventually there is a cost/reward. It's the same for you too.

IF there was a nice little business to write code and support it there would be one. The isn't Who in their right mind wants to stay on windows 95. Only the person that paid for quicken on 95 and won't upgrade. There is no money in it. If there was the microsofts would be after it.

What hipster in their right mind wants to code on windows 95?
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^^ Be fair, he's using '98 not '95, that would be crazy!

My guess is it's an old '98 laptop for pushing tuning maps over serial/parallel to an ECU of some sort... (parallel ports don't work the same under XP as they did under 98 and everything that came before so I've battled this need for '98 in industry)
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