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Old 01-25-2008, 07:55 PM
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Hmmm sounds like maybe a Chinamans RTT Tent run is in order

Maybe if we go on Cheesmans ball busting leader training to Moab as well
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Old 01-25-2008, 09:11 PM
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I'll go on Chinaman's with you with my RTT on.

From what others have been saying on Mud, it sounds like it may not be the thing for the Rubicon. Now that I think back, there were a lot of times on the AZ trip I didn't want all the pine trees to rub all over and hit the RTT. I was seriously thinking Adventure Trailers. Here I go about building a nice, lightweight 80 with tube and low CG, ie no sub-tank, spare inside, no dual batteries, etc, and now the damn thing loaded up is heavy. I believe the best thing is a trailer and set up at base camp and wheel with a lighter vehicle. This doesn't help Ken, though with the Rubicon.

With about 2K into mine, I don't think I would want to damage mine. Ken, I would sleep inside tthe rig this time above your drawers somehow, and enjoy you Jayco for other trips.
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Hee heeeee what a great thread! I had hoped it would bring out comments and progressive thinking! Y'all make me so proud....you really do.....

Robbie never stops amazing me! The last two years as a professional driver have taught him so much the rest of us could only imagine!

I am totally in on a Chinamans RTT camp-out! I think as many of the Rubithoners we can get should do it and I also think a trip to Holy Cross is in order for the same group equipped much like they will be on Rubi! We will learn so much about our trucks reactions with a load, how to work together and what we need for camping as a group. Everyone is a piece of the big picture!

I have not yet wheeled with my RTT either. I have had it mounted for a couple months and I have done some minor trail condition experiments and like Bikeman has mentioned...there isn't a huge difference BUT there is A difference! Rubicon will be a challenge, without a doubt! If it wouldn't be I doubt we would be drive gas guzzling tractors across the western desert just to get there and back! I know my abilities as a driver and a spotter. I do not fear the Rubicon but I have also wheeled it before! I look forward to wheeling the 80 through it as it will be a lot more of a demand of my line picking and driving skills than driving a well set up FJ-40 through it was! Will I get a dent or scrape.......odds say yes- my ego says no. Will I be really pissed off if I dent a quarter panel....not gonna be happy but no one twisted my arm to heard a moose through a garden gate so I'll take my wounds and live with my choices. I have faith in my driving skills and I know my friends and I really don't think I'll have a problem! That said, let me get back to the topic....

Pros
*It's a RTT! Unzip, fold out, drink beer, eat, fall asleep....
*Clothes, food and supplies are in the back of the cruiser tent and sleeping bag is not!
* It's weight is spread out over a large area when folded up
* I don't have to try to get a trailer over an obstacle while my Cruiser is doing another!
* Pull into any parking lot and go to sleep - try that in a tent!
* It is cool...hate to say it but that is a pro!

Cons
* There is an additional 11+ inches up there to watch out for!
* Gonna cost some more premium on the highway!
* CG is higher
* When not in use it is a PITA to store someplace dry and protected.
* Gotta have a buddy help load and unload it .....but sharing a couple cold ones with your helper is often worth the effort!
* Like a snorkel, everyone wants to know WTF "that" thing is.....
* If something goes wrong your sleeping quarters might be a pain to open and keep closed!!!!!!!!


I gotta get to bed but thats a pretty good list so far out of that spooky place between my ears!
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We'll talk -- I have another very large tent. So are you in, man?
Almost a positively definite - how's that for committment

RTT, tent, whatever it is, the fact that it will be ON the Rubicon is
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Old 01-26-2008, 07:29 AM
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my .02:

rtt's bad side:

IF you run expedition style, or wheel to camp, they are pretty impractical in forests. Hard to always find a level (or to level your truck) spot.

not always room above you

unique hardware, and not many plan b options for set up.

they take up a ton of space on your rack compared to separate ten options, leaving less room for provisions and gear outside the truck, where they should be stored for expeditions/wheeling to camp.

heat. having to set up "in the clear" means almost always direct uv exposure. Not very comfortable in the day, and lowers lifecycle.

Ladders. they become a pain, especially after a few beers when you need to drain the tank.

Cleaning. Always a part of the truck, so dismantling and removal a pain.

Repair. See above.


The good about RTT's.

They look cool.

They scream: "I have money and I am definitely cooler than you"

They also mumble: I watched way too much "mutual of omaha" when I was a kid.

I have also heard one say: "I wear pith helmets too some times"


Seriously though, if your concern is being on the ground, you can get a decent 4 person tent, mini cots (really cool ones these days - small footprint and light weight) for less money, and have WAY more flexibility.

If I were going to be camping/traveling in areas with abundant, big, nasty toothed carnivores and lots of poisonous reptiles or arachnids more than 4 times a year for days at a time, where there were lots of options to park, I would consider it. Other than that, they are just for the cool factor when you pull into the campground or into the known open spot at the end of a wheeling run.
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We rented a rig with a RTT in Australia. It was real small for 4 of us to sleep in. It took about as long to set up as a regular tent by the time you got the wire things pluged into the rain fly and getting the waterproof cover over it sucked. Also smelled like mildew.

Plus sides were it rained more than you could imagine and we stayed dry. We awoke one morning to 4" of standing rain in the campground. We were safe from the kangaroos and dingos.
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Having camped many times with Dean and Dave with their Wildernest camper toppers has shown me the benefit of being able to set up camp in five minutes or less. After a long day on the dusty trail, to see them sitting in the shade of their tent toppers sipping on a cold one, while I'm still looking for a place to put down the ground cloth for the tent has finally caused me to reconsider. Yes, it is nice to have a tent that you can stand up in, have enough room for gear and two big dogs but sometimes it is good to be able to set up and take down camp in short order.
Aw shucks, it's not that good. One advantage that the 'Nest has over a rack-mounted RTT is that I can definitely stand up in my truck and I don't radically change the COG compared to a regular fiberglass topper (about 20% higher COG than just a topper). I'm not about to take the 'Nest off for the Rubithon, but I am not adding a roof rack or anything else up high. I will be putting water and fuel cans inside the truck in the box, so that should help keep weight low.
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With the OME heavy/heavy set up on the FJ62 I've run without sway bars, front and rear, forever. Now, with the tent up top, I may have to experiment with them to see if they are worth having installed when the rtt is mounted.
I've had my sway bars off for about 7 years. With IFS that's less of an issue if the springs and shocks are dialed in for the truck. I feel it handles better with them off in fact. With a solid axle and flexy springs that could definitely be a different ball of wax, though. Dean uses removable sway bar links on his trucks where I've never felt the need to spend the money to put mine back on. Different strokes.

Now for some gratuitous camper p0rn.









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Thats a nice setup Dave.
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I always wanted to make my 40 top do that, but the small roof makes it impractical for sleeping if you are over 5'8"

Cool, thanks Dave,
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Hmmm sounds like maybe a Chinamans RTT Tent run is in order

Maybe if we go on Cheesmans ball busting leader training to Moab as well

I'm up for Chinaman, may even had a RTT by then to practice with If I decide to get one
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