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Old 07-10-2017, 09:44 AM
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Default USFS Demolishing Miner's Cabins

Several old mining cabins around Aspen are slated to be demolished this summer. A couple of them around Ruby, some other scattered around.

http://www.aspentimes.com/news/aspen...ed-for-safety/
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:25 AM
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It's interesting because the FS wants to destroy them for safety, and a couple historians say no problem do it there isn't any historical value to them but most every local comments I've seen people are upset about it.

I think it's stupid. People wanting more government involvement and more government control and this is the stupidity we get. I can't see a good reason for tearing them down.
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I have to agree with Jeremy. I reckon we ought to cut down all the trees, too. They are a menace to humankind with their falling on our heads and burning down our homes. Then we wouldn't need to appropriate any money for the forest service becuase there would be no more forests = win win. It's for our own good.
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It's too bad that people sue the FS when an old log cabin collapses on their head when they're inside, rather than accept that it was risky to venture inside in the first place. I'm sure that's the reason the FS is tearing them down of their own volition at this point, just too many legal problems with them. Unfortunately the FS probably can't even rely on signs being in place any more, as the "victim" could claim that none was visible at the time of the incident and the FS would have no way of proving otherwise.
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It's too bad that people sue the FS when an old log cabin collapses on their head when they're inside, rather than accept that it was risky to venture inside in the first place. I'm sure that's the reason the FS is tearing them down of their own volition at this point, just too many legal problems with them. Unfortunately the FS probably can't even rely on signs being in place any more, as the "victim" could claim that none was visible at the time of the incident and the FS would have no way of proving otherwise.
To add insult to injury....we enable trespassing by letting people sue for getting hurt on private property!
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can't wait til someone sues the forest service for being killed in avalanche.

and you shouldn't have to pay fees if you don't use the facilities.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/04...oon-bells-fee/

oh society...
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The opportunity to make them safe came through a state program, Schroyer said. It pays for the closure of mining workings and also the demolition of associated structures. The cost of the program wasn't available Monday.

You have money to make them 'safe' by tearing them down, but the same money can't be used to shore them up.
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The opportunity to make them safe came through a state program, Schroyer said. It pays for the closure of mining workings and also the demolition of associated structures. The cost of the program wasn't available Monday.

You have money to make them 'safe' by tearing them down, but the same money can't be used to shore them up.
This is probably referring to the state Division of Reclamation, Mining and Safety. They are the ones tasked with dealing with abandoned mines, putting gates over shafts and filling in sink holes. In their defense (as it is) they aren't a huge bureaucracy and don't have the resources for diverse designs beyond just making them safe. They generally tear down structures, which is their natural equilibriumatic progression anyway.

The USFS in this case should have approached users, perhaps offer them for adoption or reuse if they have some importance. One of them is already an ad hoc warming hut for skiers, although illegally. It won't be mistaken for a lodge at Vail but people are keeping it patched so letting them do it above board would be a nice move. If the USFS said "OK, you're using it, fine. Build it so it's reasonably safe and we'll let you keep using it."

Honestly, though, then someone would have to take responsibility for it, same as the club does with their adopted trails. Then if it goes a couple of years without being maintained, then tear it down because the person/persons responsible didn't keep their end of the deal.
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