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Old 05-21-2009, 01:03 AM
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[edit] Never mind, saving does not prompt for the pw. [/edit] Can someone send me the pw off line for this directory?
You're quick...I was still editing and messing around with the link to get it to work (hopefully)

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Thanks Jeff. I may be quick but Comcast is sloooooowww. Still waiting for the .avi to finish d/l'ing...
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Old 05-21-2009, 01:20 AM
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Wow, does anyone really think a 200 lb. person is enough to hold an FJ40's front end down if it's tipping over backwards? Randy was protected by restraints and a roll cage. What's protecting the spotter except dumb luck? Yelling to grab the truck just seems misguided to me. Really lucky it turned out the way it did; that Randy was cool under pressure and didn't goose the throttle & that the spotter didn't simultaneously get a good purchase on the truck.

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Randy's attempt to go up Wipe Out Hill <snip>
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Wow, does anyone really think a 200 lb. person is enough to hold an FJ40's front end down if it's tipping over backwards? Randy was protected by restraints and a roll cage. What's protecting the spotter except dumb luck? Yelling to grab the truck just seems misguided to me. Really lucky it turned out the way it did; that Randy was cool under pressure and didn't goose the throttle & that the spotter didn't simultaneously get a good purchase on the truck.
Actually, if a spotter is quick enough the counter balance is often just enough. What always scares me is when guys jump on the running boards when someone is leaning way off camber. Somehow I think I would rather trust the roll cage rather than your buddys body when the vehicle rolls over!
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:06 AM
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Actually, if a spotter is quick enough the counter balance is often just enough. What always scares me is when guys jump on the running boards when someone is leaning way off camber. Somehow I think I would rather trust the roll cage rather than your buddy's body when the vehicle rolls over!
I've seen it happen before where the buddy got dragged, scraped and partially squished. It's never fun to bend your sheet metal or field test your cage welds, but it's better than hurting a good Samaritan.
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Wow, does anyone really think a 200 lb. person is enough to hold an FJ40's front end down if it's tipping over backwards?
A bunch of times having Neil or Bruce putting some weight on a slider or bumper just helped my truck keep under control on the Rubicon. So, yeah, sometimes a pull or push is all it takes. But seeing someone standing on a slider or something, that's no good.
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Probably a bad descision on my part. By the time we all got to it it was on the ground again with little risk of rolling over or to the side, it was more reactionary. I learned a lot that day..

I think we got lucky. Good to see the video to learn from our mistakes.
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:45 AM
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Actually, if a spotter is quick enough the counter balance is often just enough.
Exactly. There's no hard line for any of these situations. Doing nothing isn't always the right answer, nor is jumping on the truck to save it. But there are many "tweener" cases, which Randy falls into. His truck was teetering, where just a bit of weight on the front end could have made a big difference. That was the reaction I think we saw.

It's easy to judge in hindsight. Let's all be glad it turned out Ok, and there was some learnin' to be had.
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:47 AM
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Hey Jeff. I'd like to get a copy of my video if possible. Whatever is easiest for you to snip and save it - I'll take it.

PS - His name is Sam.
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Old 05-21-2009, 10:43 AM
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Good to see the video to learn from our mistakes.
Agreed! and it's 185 pounds, by the way..
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